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Tinfoil hat:

--- Quote from: Mira on September 28, 2022, 08:34:39 PM ---So the question remains, what happened to the other two?  My tin foil hat guess,  ::)or maybe not so tin foil, is the Council felt threatened by the power of the island and the leyline that runs under it.  Considering what they went through with Kemmler, whom trying to tap into the power of the leyline and became totally corrupted and dangerous by it, decided to bump off the two newer Wardens.  Considering that Harry seemed to be set up to get the boot from the Council, and the Blackstaff possible orders to do him in.. It is my guess that Eb killed off the other two Wardens on Council orders.. :o

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My theory in another thread is that the island corrupts the warden if a weak minded person gets it. Hence harry being prepared to resist the island

Ed0517:

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Priscellie: Did his (Kemmler) wardenship end when he was killed after WWII?

Jim: It ended during one of the times they killed him. Kemmler got killed a bunch of times. He was one of those fun villains who just kept getting back up again just kept Napoleoning his way back into being a problem for the white council.
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Sounds like more Mantle proof to me...

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Mantles don't make you immortal or bring you back. See Aurora,  Maeve, Lily, and Ron Reuel. Some of the necromancers can at least temporarily bring you back, like Kumori. And she does not appear to be Cowl's equal.

vincentric:

--- Quote from: Ed0517 on September 29, 2022, 07:44:54 AM ---Sounds like more Mantle proof to me...

Mantles don't make you immortal or bring you back. See Aurora,  Maeve, Lily, and Ron Reuel. Some of the necromancers can at least temporarily bring you back, like Kumori. And she does not appear to be Cowl's equal.

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While the Knight mantles don't make the holder immortal, Aurora, Lily and Maeve would have all come back if they hadn't been killed at a special place or time for immortal vulnerability or subjected to near reality shattering power such as Ethniu wielding the Eye. It would just take time to heal. Molly tells Harry she could come back from going through a woodchipper and we see Mab go through several stages of healing in PT and BG.

g33k:

--- Quote from: morriswalters on September 27, 2022, 03:11:09 PM ---First for the upstream comments about Harry's fire spell. Whatever it is, it isn't fire per se.  Fire is a chemical reaction. What he actually describes is heat.  If you want to throw fire you actually throw something that is burning.
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<shrugs>
Harry calls it "fire."
Jim Butcher calls it "fire."

Looks to me like you're "right," technically speaking... but there may be something else going on, given both in-world and WoJ testimony.

Hell, it's magic -- maybe Harry's magic is momentarily making nitrogen flammable???

g33k:

--- Quote from: Mira on September 28, 2022, 08:34:39 PM ---So the question remains, what happened to the other two?  My tin foil hat guess,  ::)or maybe not so tin foil, is the Council felt threatened by the power of the island and the leyline that runs under it.  Considering what they went through with Kemmler, whom trying to tap into the power of the leyline and became totally corrupted and dangerous by it, decided to bump off the two newer Wardens.  Considering that Harry seemed to be set up to get the boot from the Council, and the Blackstaff possible orders to do him in.. It is my guess that Eb killed off the other two Wardens on Council orders.. :o
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Jim has indicated the job is pretty inherently dangerous.

Prior wardens could have died trying to capture various BigBads.

They may have died because a succesfully-captured BigBad had cults of followers and/or Lieutenant-MediumBads whom the Warden didn't adequately prepare for.

There's plenty of *other* Supernatural forces in the world, not just the WC, who might have taken exception to something the Warden did, or was expected to do.  From what we have seen I expect the Archive could have taken out a Warden... and likely at least some of the other individual signatories.

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