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Jim interview
Conspiracy Theorist:
--- Quote from: vincentric on September 19, 2022, 05:33:27 PM ---Someone needs to do a bit of research on Greek mythology:
In Greek mythology, Tartarus (/ˈtɑːrtərəs/; Ancient Greek: Τάρταρος, Tártaros) is the deep abyss that is used as a dungeon of torment and suffering for the wicked and as the prison for the Titans. Tartarus is the place where, according to Plato's Gorgias ( c.
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Tartarus does double duty as an underworld for mortals and the prison ofthe Greek Titans and other monsters. This is true of most mythological/religious hells. The monsters/demons are sent there and later the wicked souls of humanity are banished there. Mab's little ice garden is her personal prison but it isn't even as good a prison as Demonreach, otherwise it would have a much larger population.
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And that’s the problem, Demonreach doesn’t do such double duty, it’s purely a prison for the Monsters and Demons, not a “bad place” for humanity. See I did do exactly the same research, but didn’t overlook its dual nature.
Con:
I think the point was Tartarus was a prison for Titans, Elder Gods, Demons and Monsters. Just like Demonreach is.
Interestingly there's a similar concept in Paranet Papers. Vegas has trapped an Elder God Being thats trapped by another Being who feeds off of sin. Basically any time in history a city has been known as a den of inequity Babylon, Rome etc it feeds and strengthens a bad god whose purpose is to keep an even worst destroyer from escaping.
There's also a section where The Lords of Outer Night became Gods themselves by imprisoning and feeding off of other gods. Thomas tries to erase it from the book unsuccesfully as a Venatore.
Anyway point is imprisoning powerful beings is common recurring motif in myth and in Dresden Files. I assume Cerberus is a Guardian in his own right whose duty it is to well be a Warden/Guard who imprisons and catches escapee's.
vincentric:
--- Quote from: Conspiracy Theorist on September 20, 2022, 06:08:31 AM ---And that’s the problem, Demonreach doesn’t do such double duty, it’s purely a prison for the Monsters and Demons, not a “bad place” for humanity. See I did do exactly the same research, but didn’t overlook its dual nature.
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Being a mortal underworld does not disqualify Tartarus from being a prison for Titans and monsters. That was it's original use. Christian Hell had Lucifer and the fallen angels imprisoned before the first mortals walked the earth. Traditionally, most other pantheons imprisoned their evil deities and monsters in wars fought before the dawn of man. The wicked souls got sent there to suffer afterwards. Why wouldn't those places still be prisons? The only stories we have of escapes(excepting modern horror movies) are by gods and heroes who were living when they entered or who were called to a higher purpose after death.
Conspiracy Theorist:
Potentially it does disqualify it, if any hint of collusion could result in hades Vault in Marcone’s Bank from not backing onto the Vault in Hades Realm then having the same space used for a different purpose would do the same thing, especially if there is another candidate which doesn’t have that dual purpose.
There is also the point that both the Gatekeeper and the Winter Lady used the Never Never route to Demonreach. Neither has any known association with Hades or Tartarus, both have associations with Mab and Arctis Tor. Mab will leak information to find out those she cannot trust and wait for them to prove her right, she did this with Nameless, perhaps she did the same with Maeve and the back door to Demonreach, indeed the attack may have been an attempt to verify the information by Maeves allies as much as release Lea. It was shut to her after this, suggesting Mab’s game.
People might want Demonreach to back onto Tartarus, bur there is no evidence for this, but there is circumstantial evidence for Mab’s Ice Garden, by those who have used the route to get there.
Lehane:
The Gatekeeper never actually went onto Demonreach during the series. He very specifically never set foot on it cause Alfred held a grudge against him. He went somewhere close by the Island but still on the lake.
There was also the path that Peabody used to get near Demonreach in Turncoat that was an alley or something in Chicago that Mouse and the P.I. Kid staked out.
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