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Why EVERYONE is ok with a wardenless demonreach
g33k:
--- Quote from: Tinfoil hat on September 12, 2022, 08:37:22 PM --- Only the crazy get the job would be scary
But in line with the Dresden files universe
Part of me thinks tha lasciel was a test meant to prepare harry for the role. If u can tame a fallen demonreach wont corrupt u
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Two points, here...
1. A Fallen Angel's shadow, playing a "long game" of studying their target & customizing temptations to them, is very different from the continuous psychic pressure of the Island itself and its protector, and the temptation to explore / utilize the power represented by the entities trapped there. I don't think the one prepares you for the other.
2. At the same time, I think Harry's whole life has been micromanaged by supernatural forces (particularly Mab, whom I WAG to have been "social-engineering" herself a Starborn/Wizard/WinterKnight since before Harry was born!) to (A) harden the will of the Starborn & (B) power-up the Starborn for the coming apocalypse; beginning with orphaning Harry, apprenticing him to Justin (shield-training via baseballs, &c), isolating from the White Council (who should have been his "in-group," the people who'd rally-round at need, have his back), and so on. In this context, yes the Coin was part of that process... just not specific to the Island or to being Warden (that too is just another Power-up strewn in his path, to give a wizard BAT-caliber power (centuries before a wizard would normally hit the apex of his power)).
Mira:
--- Quote from: g33k on September 12, 2022, 11:43:04 PM ---Two points, here...
1. A Fallen Angel's shadow, playing a "long game" of studying their target & customizing temptations to them, is very different from the continuous psychic pressure of the Island itself and its protector, and the temptation to explore / utilize the power represented by the entities trapped there. I don't think the one prepares you for the other.
2. At the same time, I think Harry's whole life has been micromanaged by supernatural forces (particularly Mab, whom I WAG to have been "social-engineering" herself a Starborn/Wizard/WinterKnight since before Harry was born!) to (A) harden the will of the Starborn & (B) power-up the Starborn for the coming apocalypse; beginning with orphaning Harry, apprenticing him to Justin (shield-training via baseballs, &c), isolating from the White Council (who should have been his "in-group," the people who'd rally-round at need, have his back), and so on. In this context, yes the Coin was part of that process... just not specific to the Island or to being Warden (that too is just another Power-up strewn in his path, to give a wizard BAT-caliber power (centuries before a wizard would normally hit the apex of his power)).
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I agree and have said for a long time that Harry's life has been micromanaged by outside forces. If that is what destiny is, well then Harry has been a man of destiny from the moment he was conceived.
As to why the island went Wardenless, and I disagree, it did need a Warden, who knows? It fact that it needed a Warden is born out by the defense systems that needed a Warden to be fully implemented, as Harry did the year he spent on the island before Skin Game. In fact, I'd say it lucked out basically, though I think Alfred would have put up a pretty good fight, but it was vulnerable, I'd like to see Denarians camp out on it's shores now.
Ed0517:
Why was the WC with it being Wardenless? Because the paranoids at the Senior Council were afraid a warden might USE one or more of the prisoners. Still likely ARE. If Harry breaks - what stops him from going to Edinburgh with his new puppet Ethnui at his side? Think she can crack their wards? and she supposedly is not the biggest baddest one... recall, Naagloshi are in minimum security - what is in Supermax?
g33k:
--- Quote from: Ed0517 on September 13, 2022, 06:57:09 AM --- Why was the WC with it being Wardenless? Because the paranoids at the Senior Council were afraid a warden might USE one or more of the prisoners.
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This, I think.
Being the Warden simultaneously :
* gives that person access to an incredible amount of power
* puts them under a constant psychic strain
* makes them a target for those looking to use the power (n.b. that includes indirect pressure, manipulation, blackmail, bribery, seduction, deception, etc)
* makes them a target for anyone looking to jailbreak one or more prisoners
Who does the (paranoid) White Council choose as the person to wield all that power, wear that bullseye? Caught between paranoias -- not willing to trust anyone who's willing to actually step up to say "I'll do it!" but also few/none willing to accept the role if asked, for fear they're being nominated to die...
We've also already seen how far they can stick their heads in the sand, denying reality: they don't want to face the fact that a Warden is actually necessary (and with the coming Apocalypse, critically necessary).
So the paranoia keeps them from screwing their courage to the sticking-point, and the OPD (Ostrich Personality Disorder) convinces them it's probably OK, for now...
Tinfoil hat:
--- Quote from: g33k on September 13, 2022, 03:21:40 PM ---This, I think.
Being the Warden simultaneously :
* gives that person access to an incredible amount of power
* puts them under a constant psychic strain
* makes them a target for those looking to use the power (n.b. that includes indirect pressure, manipulation, blackmail, bribery, seduction, deception, etc)
* makes them a target for anyone looking to jailbreak one or more prisoners
Who does the (paranoid) White Council choose as the person to wield all that power, wear that bullseye? Caught between paranoias -- not willing to trust anyone who's willing to actually step up to say "I'll do it!" but also few/none willing to accept the role if asked, for fear they're being nominated to die...
We've also already seen how far they can stick their heads in the sand, denying reality: they don't want to face the fact that a Warden is actually necessary (and with the coming Apocalypse, critically necessary).
So the paranoia keeps them from screwing their courage to the sticking-point, and the OPD (Ostrich Personality Disorder) convinces them it's probably OK, for now...
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I always think that part of the problem is that jim nevers rights a short will the SC members as narrators. There is a word of jim that the Merlins plan for ending the war was pointing harry at them. This woj implies a lot. What if the SC is so relaxed because it knows that Mab, and Odin was on the job. BG tells us that Odi spents to much time in Chicago due to him having plans for how to defend Chicago
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