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Why EVERYONE is ok with a wardenless demonreach
Conspiracy Theorist:
Actually the Warden isn’t under psychic strain unless he interviews the inmates. It’s everybody else who is.
I am waiting for Harry to put Ronald McDonald into Demonreach.
You know he must exist in the Dresdenverse as a thing from the NeverNever, his desmesne being McDonaldland, along with Mickey Mouse, the Michelin Man and every other corporate Mascot. I really want to see Toot and Lacuna take on Snap, Crackle and Pop ““No added Sugar!” Screamed Lacuna as she beat the mascots head into a shapeless bloody pulp with a comically large spoon.””
Just because all the traditional monsters are in Demonreach doesn’t mean that there might not be new monsters who deserve to be there. The White Council mothballing Demonreach is very shortsighted at best, horrifying at worst.
g33k:
--- Quote from: Conspiracy Theorist on September 13, 2022, 07:28:03 PM --- ...
I am waiting for Harry to put Ronald McDonald into Demonreach.
You know he must exist in the Dresdenverse as a thing from the NeverNever ...
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Pennywise is Ronny McD's side-hustle.
LordDresden2:
--- Quote from: Tinfoil hat on September 12, 2022, 04:21:22 PM ---WHY EVERYONE IS OK WITH DEMONREACH NOT HAVING A WARDEN
So when last did Demonreach last have a warden before harry got the job. The books imply at least 5 years. I have seen so say 15 years or more. Which is crazy, cause Demonreach is scary and powerful. All the major players seem to know about it. Yet none seem to be willing to attempt a power grap and take it for themselves in the years without a warden. Mab in Changes claims Demonreach could have defended itself from the ladies and co. And BG implies that the Warden is a weakness thst can be used to get in the island being able to defend itself. NEMESIS’S plan
Stop theory time
What if in the early days the council always made sure their was a warden. But most candidates died trying to bound with it. Thosewere the lucky ones. Those who succeed ended up getting unstable. This could explain why no one rushes to fill the spot its more troble than its worth.
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We don't know for sure, but personally I suspect it has more to do with Council politics.
Probably it has a Warden...most of the time. But when one dies or retires (if you can), then the SC probably has to appoint a new one. The sheer power and danger associated with the position means that they are probably going to be very careful about who they give it to, and it might be that the candidate has to be acceptable to Alfred as well.
So the appointment is probably very, very political. It would likely (I suspect) need to be someone the whole SC, or a large majority of them, can agree on. Which might also mean that it needs to be someone that isn't a close ally of any one Senior Councillor and an enemy of another. If Alfred has a veto that further narrows the list of possible candidates.
Also, the Council is made up of people with multi-century lifespans and the SC is mostly people who have been around for hundreds of years. They take the long view, for good or bad (or for good and bad). Most of the time, so what if the island goes a few years without a Warden?
If things are calm, no major threats visible on the horizon, it might not seem like a big deal to the SC if the position is empty for five or ten or twenty years, while they figure out who to appoint. It might matter if something Nasty suddenly brews up, but that's the exception, and 300+ year olds know it. Most of the time they'd be right not to sweat it.
A twenty-year gap to a SC member is approximately the same as an eight month interim would seem to a typical mundane human (assuming 400 year Wizard spans and 75 year typical mundane spans).
Anyway, that's my guess.
Tinfoil hat:
--- Quote from: LordDresden2 on September 26, 2022, 08:02:55 PM ---We don't know for sure, but personally I suspect it has more to do with Council politics.
Probably it has a Warden...most of the time. But when one dies or retires (if you can), then the SC probably has to appoint a new one. The sheer power and danger associated with the position means that they are probably going to be very careful about who they give it to, and it might be that the candidate has to be acceptable to Alfred as well.
So the appointment is probably very, very political. It would likely (I suspect) need to be someone the whole SC, or a large majority of them, can agree on. Which might also mean that it needs to be someone that isn't a close ally of any one Senior Councillor and an enemy of another. If Alfred has a veto that further narrows the list of possible candidates.
Also, the Council is made up of people with multi-century lifespans and the SC is mostly people who have been around for hundreds of years. They take the long view, for good or bad (or for good and bad). Most of the time, so what if the island goes a few years without a Warden?
If things are calm, no major threats visible on the horizon, it might not seem like a big deal to the SC if the position is empty for five or ten or twenty years, while they figure out who to appoint. It might matter if something Nasty suddenly brews up, but that's the exception, and 300+ year olds know it. Most of the time they'd be right not to sweat it.
A twenty-year gap to a SC member is approximately the same as an eight month interim would seem to a typical mundane human (assuming 400 year Wizard spans and 75 year typical mundane spans).
Anyway, that's my guess.
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That might work. A year seems like a life time to a teenager but to a 60 year old its not that long.
Your idea might solve the issue. After all according to Eb BG while big wasnt EVERYONE fighting. In his life time maybe every 120 years an incident might occur that requires the island. So who cares if the island is warden less for a few years. That might also explain things like Mab being ok with a lady and knight ( maeve and the other guy forgot his name). A competent lady and knight weren't needed then. As soon as theyare needed she fires them
BrainFireBob:
Two points.
1) I suspect LaFortier was Warden.
2) I also suspect Harry didn't do the Warden ritual, but the the Sanctum ritual- and there will be weirdness
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