The Dresden Files > DF Spoilers
Nicodemus in mortal form
Mira:
--- Quote from: g33k on September 08, 2022, 02:40:03 AM ---I think "Murphy loses it, and Nic breaks the Sword" was Nic's primary plan. Indeed, with Michael (apparently/supposedly) out of operation, Harry going to Murph was the odds-on favorite, and Murph being manipulated that way might have been one of Nic's main objectives (even the topmost one) in that ENTIRE project of his!
I think Nic's backup -- in the unlikely event she didn't lose it -- was that he knows the Coin-Summoning ritual (the one Lasciel's Shadow offered to teach Harry), so he could call it back at his leisure.
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Except I don't think once a coin is voluntarily given up for whatever reason it can be called back. If it could Cassius would have called his back in an instant.
Ed0517:
--- Quote from: Mira on September 08, 2022, 03:39:15 PM ---Except I don't think once a coin is voluntarily given up for whatever reason it can be called back. If it could Cassius would have called his back in an instant.
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Question - suppose I get a surrendered coin and place it in a circle? Would that have it beyond retrieval? Harry just buried his. The Vatican would know how to create a barrier if anyone human could.
Regenbogen:
--- Quote from: Ed0517 on September 10, 2022, 04:47:08 AM ---Question - suppose I get a surrendered coin and place it in a circle? Would that have it beyond retrieval? Harry just buried his. The Vatican would know how to create a barrier if anyone human could.
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Harry didn't just bury it. He buried it inside his circle in his lab. Lash said, she can tell him how to summon it from there. So it should be possible to summon circle trapped coins.
Mira:
--- Quote from: Regenbogen on September 10, 2022, 06:57:42 AM ---Harry didn't just bury it. He buried it inside his circle in his lab. Lash said, she can tell him how to summon it from there. So it should be possible to summon circle trapped coins.
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He also had Lash's Shadow in his head, which had something to do with his abilty to summon the coin if need be, that was the whole object of the shadow in the first place. That is what makes Harry so unique and caught the attention of Uriel and Company, because it is almost impossible to throw off the influence of a Fallen Shadow once it takes up residence in the host's mind. However that connection is severed apparently when a coin is rejected by it's holder, as Cassius found out. So I doubt that even Nic could get his coin back once he rejected it.
Basil:
I wonder about this scene. For Murphy to have broken the sword, did Nicodemus have to be sincere in surrendering the coin? I would think a false repentance to be particularly blasphemous and so Nicodemus would have earned any judgment inflicted by Karen.
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