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What the heck was Justin *UP* to??!?
Regenbogen:
Yes, I thought it was foresight. And Rashid didn't tell Harry about the specifics (even if he knew), in order to not disturb the upcoming events leading to Harry entering Arctis Tor. Also I think it was about Harry learning stuff and making choices with certain powers (including the Gatekeeper) not allowed to tell him directly and not to be involved directly. Their involvement would need to be balanced and so on. This would complicate things too much.
... and also there would've been a lot less books needed to tell the story. 8)
morriswalters:
Uriel couldn't protect Molly since she was a victim of her own choices. He was involved obliquely because of a more direct action by someone else.
Mab's involvement was a product of having Lea on ice. She was protecting Harry. Which of course is what the whole book is about.
The Korean is brought to Chicago to get Harry in the mood to climb on his murder bus. That's what all that puking and retching is about.
--- Quote from: Regenbogen on August 23, 2022, 01:10:13 PM ---Yes, I thought it was foresight. And Rashid didn't tell Harry about the specifics (even if he knew), in order to not disturb the upcoming events leading to Harry entering Arctis Tor. Also I think it was about Harry learning stuff and making choices with certain powers (including the Gatekeeper) not allowed to tell him directly and not to be involved directly. Their involvement would need to be balanced and so on. This would complicate things too much.
... and also there would've been a lot less books needed to tell the story. 8)
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I like that last line. A lot of truth there. However if foresight was involved the question would be foresight about what? By the time the letter reaches Harry Molly has already done the dirty. But you come by the idea honestly, Butcher feeds it to you, implying that nothing has happened yet.
--- Quote ---“Meaning that it’s possible nothing has happened, yet. But that he wanted to put you on your guard against something that’s coming in the immediate future.”
--- End quote ---
Since you know Molly had already done Black Magic the question is foresight about what?
However this digression doesn't really speak to g33k's point about Mab.
Conspiracy Theorist:
--- Quote from: morriswalters on August 23, 2022, 02:19:13 PM ---Uriel couldn't protect Molly since she was a victim of her own choices. He was involved obliquely because of a more direct action by someone else.
Mab's involvement was a product of having Lea on ice. She was protecting Harry. Which of course is what the whole book is about.
The Korean is brought to Chicago to get Harry in the mood to climb on his murder bus. That's what all that puking and retching is about.I like that last line. A lot of truth there. However if foresight was involved the question would be foresight about what? By the time the letter reaches Harry Molly has already done the dirty. But you come by the idea honestly, Butcher feeds it to you, implying that nothing has happened yet.Since you know Molly had already done Black Magic the question is foresight about what?
However this digression doesn't really speak to g33k's point about Mab.
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Uriel sees the bigger picture, which is why Molly would be swept up in the wider action involving Michael. Foresight not only of the event, but it’s proper timing in relation to Harry.
Lea was already on ice well before Proven Guilty, so it isn’t a question of protecting Harry, she has no obligation in that regard. The outcome we know from The Law is that it resulted in Nameless getting booted out of Arctis Tor, an established fact. That is why I suggest Harry and Molly were used as a pretext, another apparent attempt by Mab to recruit him through putting Molly in peril, (but also to get a good look at Molly) to do so meant pulling her forces away from Arctis Tor leaving Lea lightly guarded in the hope someone else would take the bait.
The Korean was brought to Chicago to punish Harry, he had refused to hunt down such kids as a Warden, setting a bad example to the younger wardens. That was turned against the Merlin when Michael appeared with Eb and the baby wardens, leading to a second warlock to survive the White Council’s wrath.
vincentric:
Actually Mab was required to protect Harry. It's part of that liege taking on vassal's obligations while they are unable to carry them out thing. Remember Lea took on Molly while Harry was ghost walkabout in CD.
Mira:
Back to regular scheduled programing, "what the heck was Justin up to???
Curious lines in Cold Days after Justin asks Harry to put on a straight jacket.. Harry asks an important question, "Why?" To which Justin answers;
--- Quote ---Justin remained calm. "You don't have the knowledge you need to understand boy. Not yet. But you will in time."
--- End quote ---
Before that on the same page Harry asks Justin what is going on? And Justin answers;
--- Quote ---"I'm making plans, Harry," he said in a steady, quiet voice. "I need people I can trust."
--- End quote ---
Then in the next chapter after the review of what happened after he fled.. Lea says, he was raising you two up to be enforcers.
So from the above I surmise that Justin had real delusions of grandeur, who knows, by that time he may have been infected and Nemesis was controlling him. So if Harry and Elaine were to be enforcers, just what was it they were going to enforce? But one real possibility, if Justin was infected, in the process of enthralling Elaine, she got infected, and when she ran away to the Summer Court, this is how Aurora got infected.
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