The Dresden Files > DF Spoilers
The Archive
g33k:
--- Quote from: Ed0517 on August 19, 2022, 08:38:45 PM ---... We don't know what powers designed and built her ...
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This.
EVER so much this!
We really don't know.
--- Quote from: Ed0517 on August 19, 2022, 08:38:45 PM --- ... Andy can probably DESTROY her beyond recovery, but maybe it triggers essentially a > FORMAT C: and wipes her clean? ...
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My own sense of it -- just a hunch, I have neither Canon nor WoJ to cite in support -- is that the Archive is a Demonreach-caliber enchantment. It was probably created by some Mediterranean ur-Wizard figure (akin to what Merlin was, up-north).
If I'm right, then an Angel-caliber being -- if acting without restraints -- could simply bypass all the protections, freeze any "emergency/contingency" processes, and unwrap the all the Archive's stored knowledge like the worlds biggest pile of birthday presents. I simply think that such unrestrained action (by the Fallen) would free Uriel (and other Angels... including those who are inclined to direct & even violent action) to take counter-measures, and (for example) the Archangel Michael would kick their butts.
If the Archive was actually built by some god-level being, an Angel, or the like... then yeah, it's probably not susceptible to force even by Andy & co. But I don't think this is the case: those sorts of beings would have foreseen something like the Internet, and WoJ has stated that the Internet was unforeseen by the Archive's creator.
Conspiracy Theorist:
Probably the same entity who designed and built the Fae Mantles, both are constructs designed to protect humanity from outside interference therefore that entity has a vested interest in humanity’s survival. That would suggest it is the White God.
This is understandable if the White God arises from humanity through something like the singularity, enough human consciousness and their technology lead to the creation in the future of the White God. Why not? Humanity has created several of the monsters like the Redcap, the Gremlins and the Baku featured in the Files so why not the White God? Once coming into existence the White God will have existed for all time.
The White God I theorise proscribed the existence of the heavy hitters from the mortal world, they could power down like Odin, retreat to the Never Never like Hades or suffer Demonreach like Ethnui. This left the minor threats, things at a level humanity and it’s technology could band against and overcome as a spur to humanity’s development of society and technology the vampires, the ghouls, the Wildfae etc, threats to individual humans but not humanity. Threats from outside were dealt with by the Courts and the Archive. Threats from the Fallen by the Knights and other champions. None of this interferes with the free will of humanity required for it to develop towards the singularity and the creation of the White God.
morriswalters:
If only there were a being around that had a vast storehouse of knowledge and who, with enhancement similar to Anduriel's, was available for the job. One who had no restrictions on what it could do.
g33k:
--- Quote from: Conspiracy Theorist on August 19, 2022, 10:21:23 PM ---Probably the same entity who designed and built the Fae Mantles, both are constructs designed to protect humanity from outside interference therefore that entity has a vested interest in humanity’s survival. That would suggest it is the White God ...
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No, the Lady/Queen/Mantle division was -- I strongly suspect -- done by an ancient north-Mediterrenian deity (or trio); done to itself. Also the bifurcation into Summer/Winter. The "self" is kept in the Mother(s)*; Queens and Ladies change more often, and keep some portion of their original identities (Mab& Titania still recall theirs).
They constructed their own Mantles, invested perhaps a High Priestess, or some nymph, as the very-first Queens, and their daughters as the very-first Ladies.
I suspect this is (like Odin's action) a method chosen specifically to enable them to continue acting within the mortal realm.
(*) n.b. the Mothers -- those most-extreme & most-primal expressions of the ever-warring Summer & Winter -- cohabit the same space in the deep Nevernever. I think, at the Mother level, the differences are really rather minor... Maybe only even existing as a difference from the limited mortal POV (how's that for a WAG?).
Conspiracy Theorist:
--- Quote from: g33k on August 20, 2022, 03:31:52 AM ---No, the Lady/Queen/Mantle division was -- I strongly suspect -- done by an ancient north-Mediterrenian deity (or trio); done to itself. Also the bifurcation into Summer/Winter. The "self" is kept in the Mother(s)*; Queens and Ladies change more often, and keep some portion of their original identities (Mab& Titania still recall theirs).
They constructed their own Mantles, invested perhaps a High Priestess, or some nymph, as the very-first Queens, and their daughters as the very-first Ladies.
I suspect this is (like Odin's action) a method chosen specifically to enable them to continue acting within the mortal realm.
(*) n.b. the Mothers -- those most-extreme & most-primal expressions of the ever-warring Summer & Winter -- cohabit the same space in the deep Nevernever. I think, at the Mother level, the differences are really rather minor... Maybe only even existing as a difference from the limited mortal POV (how's that for a WAG?).
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I doubt this, the Roman/Greek gods were the Defenders of the Outer Gates before Winter. They obviously had problems maintaining this position but were given the option of relinquishing power into the Mantles to allow others to step up and take their place. This would have allowed them to either continue in the mortal world in a powered down mode or to maintain their power like Hades (and the Mothers) and retreat permanently to the NeverNever, not putting power into the Mantles. The fact that Hades was the custodian of the White Gods superweapons would appear to support this position.
The wrestling book probably contains exposition on this point, as you would expect the Roman /Greek Gods so portrayed to be in the powered down mode, like powerful Fae ageless but with no susceptibility to iron but perhaps NOT immortal in the sense that they can come back from near total obliteration as the Erl King and Odin (due to the Kringle Mantle) we’re able to. Pretty much every immortal we have seen is tied to either Summer or Winter, the exception is the Naagloshii and well we know they are all destined for Demonreach. Puck’s power level would suggest he is immortal (he is at Lea’s level) and he is Wildfae, so doubtless Demonreach awaits him as well when Harry next meets him in a hundred years.
The original Archive could have been for example a powered down Muse, like Clio (Muse of history) the excess power poured into the Mantles and rendered mortal but a powerful practitioner, with a limited Intellectus.
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