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vincentric:

--- Quote from: Lehane on August 18, 2022, 09:55:44 PM ---I don't know if someone has already mentioned this but Nicodemus likes to destroy records kept on him whenever he can. Michael Carpenter mentions this in Grave Peril.

Now in Small Favor he had the Archive at his mercy, it hasn't been mentioned but I would assume while Tessa and Rosanna were torturing Ivy, Nicodemus used the distraction to magically/forcibly delete information on him from the Archive.

It is the type of move I would expect from him. Thusly the Archive might not have much info on Nicodemus anymore.

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I doubt this takes place.

For one, Nic and his cronies never do break through the Archives defenses. She's captured and helpless but still has a core of resistance when rescued.

Secondly, we have no indication that information can be deleted from the Archive. She can be killed but considering her role against the Outsiders, I would posit that her mantle has absolute proof against tampering short of destruction. Whoever set it up even made it broad enough to encompass methods of recording not even dreamed of by mortals at the time of it's creation. We don't even know if Ivy actually deletes the information of an Outsider erased by the Venatori(There may be a WoJ that contradicts me.) or if she just puts the information in a secure compartment in her brain with a do not open ever protocol.

And finally, the Archive is neutral even to the point of non-retaliation outside of immediate threats. She won't give out infomation for any reason that isn't directly part of her purpose. Nic and his crew are not working with the Outsiders as far as she know, otherwise all their hideouts would be exposed, their finances ruined and their pictures posted in every LEO office in the world to balance that assault.

g33k:

--- Quote from: vincentric on August 18, 2022, 10:55:10 PM --- ... Nic and his cronies never do break through the Archives defenses. She's captured and helpless but still has a core of resistance when rescued ...
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Well... maybe.

I have an alternate WAG; I don't think Jim has planned it this way, but ... nothing written actually precludes it.

What if they broke Ivy... or even bargained with her, convinced her that accepting a Denarius would benefit the Archive's work???

Maybe the "resucue" was staged, and Ivy was simply playing the role of "helpless victim" & engaging Harry's "protect the young" reflexes (and consequent turn-off-the-brain behaviors)?

We know that a mere Shadow can override the senses of their host.  There's no reason she would actually have to be suffering, there in the "prison" they had placed her in.  (come to think of it:  Lasciel's shadow had shown Harry some solid pain-management methods; it's entirely-likely that the Archive knew enough to render Ivy immune to such things... which in turn turns up the likelihood that the whole "Ivy being tormented" scene was staged for effect, not genuine!)



--- Quote from: vincentric on August 18, 2022, 10:55:10 PM --- ... Secondly, we have no indication that information can be deleted from the Archive ... We don't even know if Ivy actually deletes the information of an Outsider erased by the Venatori(There may be a WoJ that contradicts me.) or if she just puts the information in a secure compartment in her brain with a do not open ever protocol ...
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I'm pretty sure WoJ says "erased," but ... we see Bob (who seems to be lesser model of the Archive) only ever does the "compartmentalization" thing.  Jim may have been speaking (or thinking) sloppily at the moment the question was asked. 

Or he may have lied, in service of the story & not-revealing-spoilers.

Conspiracy Theorist:
Nicky was trying to break Ivy, it is possible her mothers suicide indicates this. At that point Nicky has a Rasmussen? style host, the body effectively run by a Fallen in a total abdication of free will to the Fallen.

At that point Nicky has a Fallen Archive with no pesky free will. The Fallen absorbs the entirety of the information of the Archive (all recorded information of humanity to date, even that previously destroyed ) and the host body is then superfluous.

The question is - what was Nicky looking for in the Archive? Information lost or obscured even from Anduriel? What information would justify him being thrown out the Accords and having the entire supernatural world at his throat? Was he looking for clues to the whereabouts of the Spear? He risked his daughter for that. Did this give the opening for him to be set up in Skin Game? Uriel is an intellectus, he would know what they were interrogating the Archive about, he could do nothing about it and Nicky would know this, indeed glory in it, he had done what he could already do in granting Harry Soul Fire. Nicky wouldn’t know Mab was already working with Uriel, the use of Kringle as a go-between was an established thing, an open route for information probably thought limited to Christmas rather than an information route directly into Winter. Mab and Uriel may have burnt this particular route with Nicky now with the benefit of hindsight. He knows he was had. Thinking about it Mab knew she had spies in her court (Nameless) so using Kringle prevented Anduriel or Nameless finding out about the contact and the flow of information, especially Odin is a security expert - as Kringle he provided a secure back channel.

Tinfoil hat:
To answer the og question about why harry never asked the archive or eb, or anyone else about starborn, his mom or any other spoiler is that the price is probably too high. Also i think wizard mentors drill the students on the price of information.
Harry wasn't abuse but molly never asked about the skull.  Harry probably made it difficult for  molly to ask  too many questions that so that in the future she would know that curiosity definitely kills the cat. Im sure justin was the type to punish you if you asked a question he didn't like, or thought you weren't ready for. Wizards learn early on to hoard knowledge like smaug hoards gold

Ed0517:

--- Quote from: g33k on August 18, 2022, 10:47:06 PM ---I don't think he can.  I mean... yes, obviously Anduriel has the power & knowledge;

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I'm not so sure about that. We don't know what powers designed and built her. Andy can probably DESTROY her beyond recovery, but maybe it triggers essentially a > FORMAT C:  and wipes her clean? Her engineer likely has some sort of offsite backup (a mirror image clone? quantum state drives?) so he will have access to the info, but denies it to the other side.  If her walls are crumbling... I think she self destructs. Her Masada subroutine.

Really, there's got to be a backup plan. What if her train going to Chicago crashes? Maybe some other Archive had multiple daughters and they transfer it to a cadet line? Some woman who doesn't even know the story of the Archive becomes her?

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