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Winter Lady Restrictions
Mira:
--- Quote from: morriswalters on October 20, 2022, 08:31:49 PM ---This was in Small Favor although Summer Knight sets it up and foreshadows it.So Mab knew that, if given an opportunity, that Titania would take revenge.
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However Mab still made Harry her Emissary in the beginning of Summer Knight, before he even knew Titania or she him. I don't think Mab foresaw the loyalty of Za'Gard, or that Harry could even gain their loyalty, because normally the Little Folk do not do that. Common knowledge, check out the reaction from the White Council when Harry called Za'Gard into action in Battle Ground.
Ed0517:
--- Quote from: Mira on October 20, 2022, 03:59:52 PM --- Here is a wild thought, Mab or any other Fae will look you in the eye and tell you they cannot lie. Now that may be true, in which case bargaining with them shouldn't be all that dangerous, but it is.
So why is that?
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Because they cling to the letter of the law and not the spirit. They can find little ways to screw you if they wish. You ask to be saved from pursuing Gruffs, Mab teleports you out... and you are a Popsicle at Arctis Tor. Well, the Gruffs did not get you..... so she performed up to her end. They are smart, crafty, have thousands of years to accumulate a huge vault of dirty tricks. And the smarter they are... the more dangerous.
Ed0517:
--- Quote from: morriswalters on October 20, 2022, 04:27:59 PM ---Mab did indeed coerce him. She knew that naming him as Emissary would free Titania to attack him and that was the whole point. Mab lied. She named him Emissary before she asked him to serve. The term is fait accompli. Butcher deceived you by pulling a fast one. He expects you to ignore the implicit deception.
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Titania attacked him at the beginning of Small Favor before Mab even shows up. He's not her Emissary at that point. He has to take the job. He has no standing in Winter at that time. Titania may simply want him dead for Aurora. Those guys also chased various Carpenters... they are not emissaries.
Ed0517:
--- Quote from: Mira on October 20, 2022, 06:18:06 PM ---
Yes, Mab did name Harry Winter's Emissary in Summer Knight, however it wasn't until the end of the book that Aurora met her death because Harry set Toot and the rest of Za'Gard on her. Before her death Titania had no real reason to attack him. Titania was pissed at the Winter Court, true, because she blamed Mab for her Knight's murder. I guess by extension you could say that since Harry was named Emissary and trying to get to the bottom of it on Mab's behalf she'd attack him too, but there was nothing personal about it. Since Summer Knight? Yes, Titania has a very personal grudge against Harry and will attack him if the rules allow.
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An Emissary seems to be an agent or arbiter - not necessarily linked to a cause. Luccio asks Harry which Emissary he might prefer, and he says the Archive. She is not in either camp. Harry has no Winter standing at that point. i don't think hiring one gets their loyalty. In fact, unless there is a rule we have not yet seen, at the start of Small Favor, Titania could have hired Harry to find Marcone. Let the Denarians kidnap him, send Eldest Gruff to break in and whack him after Harry finds him, and the finger points to the kidnappers...
morriswalters:
--- Quote from: Ed0517 on October 21, 2022, 05:08:59 AM ---Titania attacked him at the beginning of Small Favor before Mab even shows up. He's not her Emissary at that point. He has to take the job. He has no standing in Winter at that time. Titania may simply want him dead for Aurora. Those guys also chased various Carpenters... they are not emissaries.
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The tense of the phrase when Mab talks to Harry in the snow storm is past tense.
--- Quote ---“I have chosen you to be my Emissary,” Mab said to me. “You will repay me a favor owed. You will find the Baron.
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Not I will choose, but I have chosen. Which is why the Gruff's attacked at Michael's.
Butcher sets this up in Summer Knight by establishing that the Queens can't just attack any mortal they choose. Which is why the chlorofiend can't hurt Murphy in Summer Knight. He goes to a lot of trouble to establish this. For Titania to attack Harry he has to be connected to Summer in some fashion. That connection doesn't exist until Harry is named Emissary. It's explains the doughnut. When Harry gets back to Chicago the Emissary's work is finished and Harry is again safe.
This is actually her second run at Harry. She uses her position as a Fate to choose for Harry to die in the alley behind Bock's Books in Dead Beat. When Marcone interferes Titania uses this fact to attack him in Small Favor.
--- Quote ---“This is another point of contention between you and Titania.”
“When one Court moves, the other perforce moves with it,” Mab said.
I croaked, “Titania wants Marcone dead?”
“Put simply,” she replied. “And her Emissary will continue to seek your death. Only by finding and saving the Baron’s life will you preserve your own.”
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This arc effectively ends when Titania gives up her quest for vengeance in Cold Days. It also has ramifications for Proven Guilty and helps explain why Mab is defending her borders.
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