The Dresden Files > DF Spoilers
In defense of the WC
Ed0517:
--- Quote from: Conspiracy Theorist on August 12, 2022, 05:52:13 PM ---Harry has already beat Eb - confidence is a huge thing for a practitioner of magic and now Eb realises he can’t beat Harry without killing him. Harry on the other hand knows he has stood up to the worst Eb can dish out and walked away unharmed.
Harry wins every time now over Eb.
The Merlin requires a different strategy Harry needs to undermine the Merlin politically in any duel they have, show what he has been up to behind the scenes to the assembled White Council destroy his political power and his confidence at the same time.
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Harry didn't beat Eb - he stalemated an Eb who was holding back. Eb showed if he went all out he could win. This can embolden Harry, but he has to recognize the limits Eb put on himself. We saw the best Eb could do will kill Harry.
I'm not 100% sure Langtry takes Harry down. He probably does, but Langtry is a defense specialist. I don't think Harry has a chance of taking him down either (Barring maybe a Soulfire attack Langtry didn't know about). This is possibly like when Nik offered Harry a coin, and when Harry asked if he was going to let him walk, Nik said "I doubt I could stop you" as in "You can't hurt me. I know that. The question is if I have the firepower to get you". Eb has shown he can if he has to. I wonder sometimes if Eb is really the best battle wizard. We know little of Rashid....
Carlos has technical ability that may (or may not - Harry tends to run himself down) exceed Harry's but I don't think he can take Harry. A middleweight contender gets pounded by a journeyman heavyweight.
Conspiracy Theorist:
--- Quote from: Ed0517 on August 12, 2022, 09:04:02 PM ---Harry didn't beat Eb - he stalemated an Eb who was holding back. Eb showed if he went all out he could win. This can embolden Harry, but he has to recognize the limits Eb put on himself. We saw the best Eb could do will kill Harry.
I'm not 100% sure Langtry takes Harry down. He probably does, but Langtry is a defense specialist. I don't think Harry has a chance of taking him down either (Barring maybe a Soulfire attack Langtry didn't know about). This is possibly like when Nik offered Harry a coin, and when Harry asked if he was going to let him walk, Nik said "I doubt I could stop you" as in "You can't hurt me. I know that. The question is if I have the firepower to get you". Eb has shown he can if he has to. I wonder sometimes if Eb is really the best battle wizard. We know little of Rashid....
Carlos has technical ability that may (or may not - Harry tends to run himself down) exceed Harry's but I don't think he can take Harry. A middleweight contender gets pounded by a journeyman heavyweight.
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Harry beat Eb in Eb’s head, as Granny Weatherwax would call it “Headology”same way Harry beat Ethnui, undermined her confidence in her power at exactly the right time. Harry now has a scary reputation, and that affects practitioners going against him. In that respect he is like the Gatekeeper, and whilst EB and the Merlin are his superiors in power, he could take both by playing on their confidence in their abilities. I doubt though he could do it with the Gatekeeper, suspect could teach Granny a thing or two about Headology.
For example taking on Ancient Mai Harry can undermine her confidence by using his worthiness to own a Foo Dog. With Martha Liberty a demonstration of Soul Fire would likely do it.
With the Merlin it’s his political reputation as the key to his confidence, with Eb, his anger and guilt.
Mira:
--- Quote from: forumghost on August 11, 2022, 11:44:42 PM ---I mean be real here people, harry didn't beat eb -not really- he tricked him into fighting a hologram made by the winter lady while he got out of dodge.
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He won, he knew he didn't stand a chance going one on one with the Blackstaff. He also knew that Eb wasn't himself emotionally and was vulnerable. He didn't want to hurt his grandfather and in truth his grandfather didn't want to hurt or kill his grandson. So Harry coolly came up with a way to win with no one getting hurt.. Harry beat Eb with his brain, it isn't always about who has the most kaboom.
Conspiracy Theorist:
--- Quote from: Mira on August 13, 2022, 04:28:49 AM ---He won, he knew he didn't stand a chance going one on one with the Blackstaff. He also knew that Eb wasn't himself emotionally and was vulnerable. He didn't want to hurt his grandfather and in truth his grandfather didn't want to hurt or kill his grandson. So Harry coolly came up with a way to win with no one getting hurt.. Harry beat Eb with his brain, it isn't always about who has the most kaboom.
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Exactly, Harry constantly finds himself outmatched in power or experience, but has confidence in his ability to think on his feet, which is being increasing supplemented with forward planning. Harry knows he is going to face off against Carlos and will be prepared for his favourite attack. Even with the Blackstaff Carlos would be an easy easy victory ( use Mother Winters walking stick against her knight? Harry would end up owning the Blackstaff).
The Merlin as I said could be beaten by undermining by him politically, with the Truth about his schemes in relation to Harry, being made public during battle, forcing admissions. The Merlin is a defensive practitioner, so Harry would have the time.
forumghost:
He 'won' in that the illusion Harry (which was all Molly's work) distracted Eb for long enough that he couldn't/wouldn't chase Harry any more.
but that is not "fighting Eb to a draw" (which is what was said, and is a gross overestimation of Harry's abilities). If Harry had actually tried to throw down with his Grandfather, he'd probably look like crushed raspberries.
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