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In defense of the WC
Ed0517:
--- Quote from: Tinfoil hat on October 23, 2022, 09:16:06 AM ---Saw an interesting post on one of the fb groups that part of the reason why the WC members hate harry is the favouritism shown to him.
Can't remember the og post and poster. So i will
Just list some of the thinks i think may cause people to hate him.
1) instead of killing him, eb served him becoz he mentored his mother. 2) he advertises himself in the media 3) he started a war with the red council (sure it wasn't his fault but theh don't know that) 4 he's anti social. Harry doesn't attend council meetings unless forced. 5) he doesn't get that hes guven special treatment. How many young wizards are in contact with SC members to the extent harry is
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I'd say to assess at least some of these we have to know more of what the average WC knows.
1) Yes, he killed Justin, but I see at least 3 (may be more) ways to look at it:
a) He killed. He's a warlock. Die!
b) WTF? A KID took out a WARDEN? How? What are we dealing with? (see the reaction of the wardens on Demonreach when they are asked to arrest him)
c) That warden summoned a freaking WALKER, an OUTSIDER. HE deserved to die. Putting him with the Blackstaff, we can kill him if we need to, but it may be he was ill-treated by the WC as well. Plus, said Warden was doing mind control on the presumed missing and presumed dead Elaine. I'm thinking the WC has not connected the Elaine with Justin to the Elaine in the phone book. Why would Justin enthrall a small timer?
2) I doubt most know or care. They will assume he is considered a charlatan.
3) I think he was poorly thought of even before that. If it was just this ... his opinion might rise when he WON the war and eradicated the Reds.
4) I think attendance of more than a few are spotty at best. The main council chamber holds, what, a third of them? When they were filling Simon's SC spot and calling roll, more than a couple of the older ones, the more powerful ones you would expect to be there, knowing their name will arise, are missing. Wizards go their own way.
5) A few do get SC contact. Ramirez. Chandler. Also, remember Harry is a regional commander for the Wardens, he's not some scrub. Connection to Eb, well, that's his old master, so it doesn't count. Also started before Eb was SC. Injun Joe is Eb's buddy. He doesn't see Joe much without Eb there. He doesn't see Mai, or Martha Liberty. No indication he ever saw Simon, or Christos until the Battle of Chicago - he had to ask who he was. The Merlin is always as the Merlin, at court. He did see him when the manhunt was on - but he's also a PI - it looks like a professional consult. And the Gatekeeper... I think they all RESPECT the Gatekeeper, but even the Merlin seems to defer to him at times.... I think they let him do as he pleases, don't try to figure out why, and NEVER ask.
g33k:
--- Quote from: Ed0517 on October 24, 2022, 08:21:05 AM --- ... Plus, said Warden was doing mind control on the presumed missing and presumed dead Elaine. I'm thinking the WC has not connected the Elaine with Justin to the Elaine in the phone book ...
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I don't think the WC knows Justin had any other 'prentice than Harry; they only learned of Harry himself after Justin died.
Elaine's presence there was utterly unknown.
Remember -- Justin had turned heavily into Black magic: mind-control, Outsider-summoning, and we don't know what else. I don't think he had *ANY* contact with the WC, because it would have been too easy for "sensitives" among them to notice this sort of thing.
Tinfoil hat:
Part of me thinks that that Justin could have been working with Peabody (and others) while working with the SC. Realizing that Justin had gone to the darkside may explain why the SC hates/ is afraid of Harry. They left their WMD with the wrong guy who knows what protocols Justin left in Harry.
g33k:
--- Quote from: Tinfoil hat on November 15, 2022, 08:38:29 PM --- Part of me thinks that that Justin could have been working with Peabody (and others) while working with the SC. Realizing that Justin had gone to the darkside may explain why the SC hates/ is afraid of Harry. They left their WMD with the wrong guy who knows what protocols Justin left in Harry.
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I think it likely that Justin was "Black Council," yes.
But they rooted-out all of Peabody's work; I presume they checked Harry, and would have been satisfied there were no "protocols" in place.
I disagree that the White Council was onboard with the "Starborn Plan," however. They're too staid & conservative, that plan is too extreme/apocalyptic.
Eb would likely have been aware if Justin were assigned Harry's tutelage, and insisted on taking on the role himself. Morgan moved quickly to get Harry, but Justin moved faster, and Morgan was unable to track them... again, this speaks to it NOT being a White Council move.
I strongly suspect that (at least) one individual Senior Council member was involved and/or sympathetic to the plan; but acted in secret, as (an) independent wizard(s); NOT as agent(s) of the White Council.
Ed0517:
--- Quote from: g33k on October 24, 2022, 04:25:12 PM ---I don't think the WC knows Justin had any other 'prentice than Harry; they only learned of Harry himself after Justin died.
Elaine's presence there was utterly unknown.
Remember -- Justin had turned heavily into Black magic: mind-control, Outsider-summoning, and we don't know what else. I don't think he had *ANY* contact with the WC, because it would have been too easy for "sensitives" among them to notice this sort of thing.
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I dunno.. the paranoiacs there might have spies on their spies..... hard to believe that NONE of the WC knew about Harry. Even Eb? I bet at least some of the seniors knew, or Luccio, as Justin had been a warden. He wasn't a low profile guy in the crowd.
--- Quote --- But they rooted-out all of Peabody's work; I presume they checked Harry, and would have been satisfied there were no "protocols" in place.
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Not sure on that. Harry likely does not give permission, and going in unapproved is a naughty.
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