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Conspiracy Theorist:

--- Quote from: Mira on July 24, 2022, 04:46:26 AM ---In Lily's case perhaps one can consider virginity two ways, actual physical and emotional.  While
Lily may physically no longer be a virgin, in her mind she was very much an innocent.  What constitutes a virgin anyway?  The presence of a maidenhead? That can be broken without sex.

Molly said technically she was still a virgin, because though she never had engaged in intercourse, there are other ways to enjoy sex. So physically she was, but mentally, emotionally, she wasn't.

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Yes, Molly alluded to some knowledge of the practice of BDSM, Lilly may have been subjected to similar but involuntary advances from Lloyd Slate which did not involve a procreative element.

morriswalters:

--- Quote from: Ed0517 on July 24, 2022, 07:44:04 AM ---...and then you used the word prodigy in place of the word progeny.... smh

lineage is lineage. Everyone has it. It is not line of succession. If Queen Elizabeth died, and Prince Philip survived, he would be part of Charles lineage. He would NOT be in the line of succession, he cannot become king. Also, lineage cannot change. Rules of succession CAN and do - England changed theirs 10 or 20 years ago, from male preferred primogeniture to absolute.

It does not have to be used. Molly is not in Mab's lineage. There is no blood there.  She is her apparent successor. She is Michael's lineage. I have never seen her suggested to be a KOTC.

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I apologize for not meeting your standards of language.  I'll keep it simple.  In the White Court you don't inherit a crown and it's certainly not how Lara came to control the Whites.  And in the Fey court the mantle determines what you are and the Mab chooses who wears the mantle. Given that there is no need for a child to cement two royal families together. There are no royal families.  This is Butcher satisfying some itch he hasn't established yet in the text. He wanted to hook up Lara and Harry. He has now done so.

@Mira
Virgin means exactly whatever Butcher intends it to mean.  Certainly  where Sarissa was concerned you can't believe she was celibate for 300 or so years while she fiddled around enjoying immortality? If you want to carry this absurdity out to the obvious conclusion then are you suggesting that most lesbians in the Dresdenverse are virgins because they've never had sexual intercourse with a man?

@Conspiracy Theorist
I will point out that Molly was 14 when Butcher establishes this particular point, all to show that he could insert a BDSM scene in the DF.

Arjan:
It could have been part of the deal Sarissa had with her mother. But I do not think it was necessary. I think the mantle makes you a virgin.

Mira:

--- Quote ---Virgin means exactly whatever Butcher intends it to mean.  Certainly  where Sarissa was concerned you can't believe she was celibate for 300 or so years while she fiddled around enjoying immortality? If you want to carry this absurdity out to the obvious conclusion then are you suggesting that most lesbians in the Dresdenverse are virgins because they've never had sexual intercourse with a man?

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Yes, in some circles that is it exactly, lesbians are considered virgins.. It goes along with the idea that if a woman's maiden head is broken she is no longer a virgin.. When it can become broken in a number of innocent ways, excluding intercourse with a man.  And for that matter, why couldn't Sarissa be celibate for three hundred years if she chose to be?  Molly saying she is technically is no different than what many teens of her age said and are saying, they can fool around sexually all they want, but as long as there is no actual intercourse, they are still virgins.
Molly was older than fourteen at the end of Proven Guilty, I believe she was more like sixteen, that is when Harry told her if she wanted to be an apprentice she had to remain a virgin.

morriswalters:
I can't go down this rabbit whole any further but I'll finish with this. Only a man would write this foolishness.  How could Harry know?

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