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Lara Raith marriage consummation
Ed0517:
--- Quote from: Conspiracy Theorist on July 22, 2022, 02:33:41 PM ---Are you sure Carlos couldn’t take up the Lady’s mantle? Virginity rather than gender seems to be the determining requirement there, and that is in short supply in Winter. Carlos could be the Winter Laddy. It’s about his luck with women.
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Wouldn't it be funny as heck if he was passed the mantle - then the magic transformed his body to fit the role? He'd flip, and Harry and Bob would laugh their butts off (Bob, of course, only metaphorically)
Ed0517:
--- Quote from: Conspiracy Theorist on July 23, 2022, 10:10:42 AM ---The Ladies can ride the Unicorns which is usually associated with virgins.
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That appears to have gotten into the myth rather late. Also, Chinese myths had rather ugly unicorns. Mab has an ugly one too.
--- Quote ---Harry did ride one in Battle Ground, but standing next to Thomas, Harry looks pretty virginal. As would most men.
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Except Carlos! [/quote]
--- Quote ---The trinity is the Maid, Mother and Crone, and I think in this Jim has been influenced by Pratchett, and his witches, Magrat, Nanny Ogg and Granny Weatherwax (who I suspect influenced the character of Mother Winter).
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does predate Prachett too though.
--- Quote ---Jim has made much of Molly’s ongoing virginity, it surely played a major part in why she rather than Justine or Murphy were chosen by the Mantle. Remember, inside the Circle the Mantle had limited choice, but it did have a choice of candidates, and Justine and Murphy were not maids. It just so happens Molly was Mab’s back up, indicating Mab’s prolonged scheming in relation to her. Preserving her virginity was undoubtedly part of this.
In Proven Guilty Molly has a boyfriend, Nelson, a Harry lookalike, her powers are manifesting so her potential as a candidate comes across Mab’s radar. The Gatekeeper tells Harry to investigate Black Magic in Chicago we do not know at this point that the Gatekeeper is allied with Mab. Molly is abducted by Winters Phobophages and taken to Arctis Tor, Mab’s stronghold, rescued by Harry’s party, and faces the White Council, saved by Michael suddenly appearing, obviously due to Uriel’s influence’ but we don’t find out they are working together until Ghost Story) Molly is put under the care of Harry (her unassailable crush) and tightly chaperoned thereafter.
Mab, the Gatekeeper and Uriel appear to have been working together for some time to get a Winter Knight and Winter Lady suitable for the forthcoming travails. Both proved pivotal in Battle Ground, clearly a starter course to the BAT.
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Have NO idea if you are right, but you have done some job of making a framework to link these things, and I applaud a job well done! It might be wrong, but it seems on the face a plausible possibility.
Arjan:
--- Quote from: Mira on July 24, 2022, 04:46:26 AM ---In Lily's case perhaps one can consider virginity two ways, actual physical and emotional. While
Lily may physically no longer be a virgin, in her mind she was very much an innocent. What constitutes a virgin anyway? The presence of a maidenhead? That can be broken without sex.
Molly said technically she was still a virgin, because though she never had engaged in intercourse, there are other ways to enjoy sex. So physically she was, but mentally, emotionally, she wasn't.
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Or maybe she was more than she thought. There was a reason she did not cross that line.
Mira:
--- Quote from: Arjan on July 24, 2022, 08:39:26 AM ---Or maybe she was more than she thought. There was a reason she did not cross that line.
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Remember at the end of Proven Guilty, Harry warned her and stressed the importance of her remaining a virgin. Now whether it was because she represented too much of a temptation for him, since she already had a super crush for lack of a better word on him, or because it was truly a rule for apprentices, not sure.. Or he had foresight that he was in denial about that she could become Winter Lady some day, so needed to remain a virgin. Now being a virgin upon assuming the mantle of Winter Lady may or may not be a prerequisite, but it is clear that once the mantle of Winter Lady is assumed, the Lady must remain so. Thus we have a very frustrated Maeve living through the kinky sex she forces others to perform in front of her, or poor Carlos getting the crap kicked out of him by attempting to have sex with Molly.
Arjan:
--- Quote from: Mira on July 24, 2022, 09:34:42 AM ---Remember at the end of Proven Guilty, Harry warned her and stressed the importance of her remaining a virgin. Now whether it was because she represented too much of a temptation for him, since she already had a super crush for lack of a better word on him, or because it was truly a rule for apprentices, not sure.. Or he had foresight that he was in denial about that she could become Winter Lady some day, so needed to remain a virgin. Now being a virgin upon assuming the mantle of Winter Lady may or may not be a prerequisite, but it is clear that once the mantle of Winter Lady is assumed, the Lady must remain so. Thus we have a very frustrated Maeve living through the kinky sex she forces others to perform in front of her, or poor Carlos getting the crap kicked out of him by attempting to have sex with Molly.
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Sex is all about emotion and magic is too. Her catholic upbringing also brings some attitudes about sex that have to be handled. She also was a young adult which can be a turbulent period and she was a warlock which is also problematic emotional. She had to learn to handle her emotions. I tend to believe Harry when he told her that’s that stage it was just dangerous.
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