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seanham:
--- Quote from: Conspiracy Theorist on July 12, 2022, 12:49:35 AM ---I would think only beings with Intellectus would be aware of Demonreach and what exactly it is. Very few beings have a comprehensive Intellectus, we have seen only three, mothers Winter, Summer and Uriel. I doubt even Anduriel can see into Demonreach, but it gives him a nice warm vibe.
The bad vibe it gives is attractive to bad guys in the same way that warehouse keeps getting used for murder, or like Chichen Itsa. If they knew what it was they wouldn’t go near it, it’s a trap.
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All good points, however, somehow Eb, Rashid, and The Merlin know about the island and at least part of its true purpose. On page 495 of Turn Coat, the following important bits are written as part of Eb's journal. With this in mind, I would add these senior council members, Vadderung, and all/most of the members of the Gray Council to the list of individuals who know Deamonreache's true purpose (second quote, Cold Days page 249). I would assume all or most of these additions would know because they all have connections to the original Merlin.
--- Quote ---seems clear that he had no idea of the island's original purpose. ... The Merlin has demanded that we put the boy under surveillance at once ... Rashid says that warning him about the island would be pointless ... And of all the wizards I know, he's among the three or four I'd be willing to see take up that particular mantle
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--- Quote ---I'm aware of how important it is that the island be well managed. Most of the people who came to your party in Mexico are.
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g33k:
--- Quote from: Conspiracy Theorist on July 11, 2022, 06:23:01 PM --- ... Even Wardens may only have travelled there by the Way, indeed Kemmler most likely only ever did so. Unless he got a fix on its position via longitude and latitude, all that is known is that it is an island on a body of water. You can’t get a fix on it via magic. You would physically have to search for it, or in Harry’s case just stumble over it. When Kemmler got booted out as Warden it may be that Fistful of Warlocks was actually Kemmler trying to physically locate Demonreach in the real world. Which is difficult, even with 21st C tech ...
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" ... an island on a body of fresh water ... "
That narrows it considerably!
Latitude is trivially-easy to approximate, just by eyeball.
Given that you can travel via Ways, longitude is similarly-easy to get a rough approximation.
With age-of-sail tech, you can get a very very precise fix.
And while LTW may be the premier shapeshifter in the Council, it's not unique to him; so a wizard could get there via known Ways, then fly or swim to shore.
The White Council -- if they cared to know it -- has known the location of the Island for centuries.
Mira:
--- Quote ---The White Council -- if they cared to know it -- has known the location of the Island for centuries.
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And since there had been a lighthouse and settlement there at one time, so had ordinary vanilla humans. If it isn't on any charts it is because there is an agreement that the island shouldn't be found. And yes while it is an island in the middle of a fresh water lake, the Great Lakes get their name for a reason.
Conspiracy Theorist:
Senior Council would know of the island and would realise once there where ‘there’ was, especially if the Gatekeeper turns up separately without a means of transport. Harry inadvertently blew one of the White Council’s major secrets. Wizards love secrets.
Again if the Gatekeeper organised it to keep it off maps and charts then this made it difficult for Kemmler to find it, you would have to come into line of sight to find it and the cannery would put someone off looking for an uninhabited island.
vincentric:
But the senior Council and most of the Wardens after Kemmler had tp know about the island and it's physical location. How could they effectively stop him from going someplace if they didn't know where the place was?
Even if they were brought in by Way, Age of Sail tech could give them a reliable longitude and latitude and that's centuries old.
Yeah, wizards love secrets but somehow the evil opposition always has better sources of information to get their plans rolling. Their "need to know" pool is bigger otherwise you have confused minions running around wasting resources and time.
Jim is very into trope of only telling the heroes what they need to know at the last possible minute. It works well with Harry because he has to follow the plot and there are always pure altruists like the Knights but how many would say before crisis 3 or 4, "F' this, I need full disclosure to prepare properly and Y'know survive. Either trust me, pay me really, really well with money and favors or solve this next crisis on your own. That includes alerting me before we go to supernatural DefCon4." Three or four times with the mushroom treatment can turn even your staunchest allies against you, see Ramirez, Carlos. And that's the pool of people that you now have to monitor constantly to safeguard the existence of the island, especially if there is no active Warden and the defenses are on standby, which they were from SF to the climax of CD.
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