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Conspiracy Theorist:
Oh dear I hadn’t thought of that.
Actually I had and it is set out in several previous threads. Demonreach is a Blacksite prison, it’s location is likely to to be highly restricted even among the Senior Council.
Beings who go to Demonreach tend to do so as a one way trip. Ask Ethnui. I doubt inmates get conjugal visits (Thomas may be a first, naturally)
Even Wardens may only have travelled there by the Way, indeed Kemmler most likely only ever did so. Unless he got a fix on its position via longitude and latitude, all that is known is that it is an island on a body of water. You can’t get a fix on it via magic. You would physically have to search for it, or in Harry’s case just stumble over it. When Kemmler got booted out as Warden it may be that Fistful of Warlocks was actually Kemmler trying to physically locate Demonreach in the real world. Which is difficult, even with 21st C tech.
Mab would have closed off the way to Kemmler when he got booted, so whilst Warden he was not able to reach the island. When he finally died it mean’t the Senior Council could appoint a new warden with the Gatekeeper shadowing the candidate through the Way. The Senior Council may not even have known the location if it was only known to the Gatekeeper. Thus Peabody couldn’t get it with his ink, as like Harry the Gatekeeper was only around rarely, and Fortier an old wizard was dead set about visiting the place, but he may have let slip to Peabody the Way was via Arctis Tor. “Demonreach? Why would I want to go to Arctis Tor?”
When one thinks of the Gatekeeper one thinks of the Outer Gates, but perhaps he was also the Gatekeeper for other things, such as the access for Demonreach. And who knows what other Gates?
You didn’t think I had just the one Conspiracy Theory did you?
Mira:
--- Quote from: vincentric on July 11, 2022, 04:53:28 PM ---There was no need to do convoluted and dangerous cloak and dagger missions to scout Demonreach before the end of CD. Anyone with the will to fight off the passive avoidance aura could just hop on a boat and go there in a matter of hours. Nic and company set up there for a couple of days without any consequences. Demonreach's mental attacks are just something Jim uses to isolate Harry from his friends. They've never even slowed down his enemies.
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Yes, the mental attacks were a subtle thing that eventually ran out would be intruders. The fact for a time in the 1800s a small town was established that after a few years was abandoned along with the island is proof of that. It is also evidence that at that time there was no real Warden in charge of the island's defenses. Without a Warden to establish the true defenses of the island all Alfred can really do is send out bad vibes to discourage long term visitors. Contrast with the current situation with Harry in charge, no one now gets on the island without his say.
Conspiracy Theorist:
Oh they can get on.
Getting off is an entirely different kettle of fish.
The fishing town would have been established when Kemmler got the sack as Warden, as you say because the active defences were down at the time. The Gatekeeper would likely be keeping an eye on things during this period, and the town would have been protective coloration so maybe he had a hand in establishing it as an additional non-magical defence to its discovery, as signs of visible habitation where none had previously existed would put off casual searchers for the island. Perhaps one or more workers were actually working for the Gatekeeper in case someone showed up? Early warning of Kemmlerites. Someone must have been living in the cottage.
vincentric:
--- Quote from: Conspiracy Theorist on July 11, 2022, 06:23:01 PM ---Oh dear I hadn’t thought of that.
Actually I had and it is set out in several previous threads. Demonreach is a Blacksite prison, it’s location is likely to to be highly restricted even among the Senior Council.
Beings who go to Demonreach tend to do so as a one way trip. Ask Ethnui. I doubt inmates get conjugal visits (Thomas may be a first, naturally)
Even Wardens may only have travelled there by the Way, indeed Kemmler most likely only ever did so. Unless he got a fix on its position via longitude and latitude, all that is known is that it is an island on a body of water. You can’t get a fix on it via magic. You would physically have to search for it, or in Harry’s case just stumble over it. When Kemmler got booted out as Warden it may be that Fistful of Warlocks was actually Kemmler trying to physically locate Demonreach in the real world. Which is difficult, even with 21st C tech.
Mab would have closed off the way to Kemmler when he got booted, so whilst Warden he was not able to reach the island. When he finally died it mean’t the Senior Council could appoint a new warden with the Gatekeeper shadowing the candidate through the Way. The Senior Council may not even have known the location if it was only known to the Gatekeeper. Thus Peabody couldn’t get it with his ink, as like Harry the Gatekeeper was only around rarely, and Fortier an old wizard was dead set about visiting the place, but he may have let slip to Peabody the Way was via Arctis Tor. “Demonreach? Why would I want to go to Arctis Tor?”
When one thinks of the Gatekeeper one thinks of the Outer Gates, but perhaps he was also the Gatekeeper for other things, such as the access for Demonreach. And who knows what other Gates?
You didn’t think I had just the one Conspiracy Theory did you?
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Your theory is fine for excluding the good guys and the neutrals.
It's the Bad Guys we're worried about though. Nic knows and probably so do another many of the other Denarians. The Fallen predate Demonreach and I'm sure many of their allies, pawns and enemies have ended up there in the course of the lasy 2K years. So that's one group that knows.
Nemesis and the rest of the Outsiders of any import probably also know. One wonders if they have never plotted against the prison before. They've had longer than Nic and company to try. It only takes a few survivors of failed attempts or the cultivation of a new crop of power hungry warlocks to get that knowledge out and about. And this is a "We only have to succeed once, You have to be perfect countless times." problem.
So that's two groups that have travelled there without a Way. Do we know of any others? No, but we also didn't know that the island was Supernatural Alcatraz until it was revealed in CD. Sometimes authors introduce a plot hook without thinking through the long term implications or inferences for their worlds. It's just the simplest explanation.
Conspiracy Theorist:
I would think only beings with Intellectus would be aware of Demonreach and what exactly it is. Very few beings have a comprehensive Intellectus, we have seen only three, mothers Winter, Summer and Uriel. I doubt even Anduriel can see into Demonreach, but it gives him a nice warm vibe.
The bad vibe it gives is attractive to bad guys in the same way that warehouse keeps getting used for murder, or like Chichen Itsa. If they knew what it was they wouldn’t go near it, it’s a trap.
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