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Little Things [spoilers]
Arjan:
--- Quote from: Conspiracy Theorist on June 04, 2022, 12:11:43 AM ---Marcone would know, he would make it his business to know what’s going on in the Castle.
Namshiel is only able to operate in the mortal world because of his hosts free will, and Marcone is no wreck like Rasmussen.
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That is what the fallen wants you to think but reality is more complicated. First the fallen can influence or even change your perception of reality. Harry got a very convincing imaginary girlfriend from a shadow so the real thing can be even worse. We have seen that a shadow can influence your emotions, Lasciel’s shadow increased his rage. Again the real deal is probably worse and we have seen several occasions when talking to a denarian host seemed to go wel and suddenly it changed.
So it resides in you, has some control over your emotions and how you see reality. Offers you solutions that will steer you into a certain direction.
The fallen might tell you about free wil but if you keep the thing for long it will change you.
Mira:
--- Quote ---That is what the fallen wants you to think but reality is more complicated. First the fallen can influence or even change your perception of reality. Harry got a very convincing imaginary girlfriend from a shadow so the real thing can be even worse. We have seen that a shadow can influence your emotions, Lasciel’s shadow increased his rage. Again the real deal is probably worse and we have seen several occasions when talking to a denarian host seemed to go wel and suddenly it changed.
So it resides in you, has some control over your emotions and how you see reality. Offers you solutions that will steer you into a certain direction.
The fallen might tell you about free wil but if you keep the thing for long it will change you.
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Yes, and that was Lasciel's first mistake, she treated Harry like any other host. Yes, Harry was fooled by Shelia at first, but once the truth was revealed to him by Butters, he was on his guard. The Shadow did manage to shape him by influencing his anger, but when Murphy sat him down and talked to him about it, and then the "lesson" that he tried to teach Molly made him realize what the Shadow was doing and he for the most part resisted that and actually changed her. I don't think Harry could have pulled it off if he weren't a star born. The same will or whatever it is that can resist an Outsider, can be a match for a shadow of a fallen angel.
Arjan:
--- Quote from: Mira on June 04, 2022, 10:38:54 AM ---Yes, and that was Lasciel's first mistake, she treated Harry like any other host. Yes, Harry was fooled by Shelia at first, but once the truth was revealed to him by Butters, he was on his guard. The Shadow did manage to shape him by influencing his anger, but when Murphy sat him down and talked to him about it, and then the "lesson" that he tried to teach Molly made him realize what the Shadow was doing and he for the most part resisted that and actually changed her. I don't think Harry could have pulled it off if he weren't a star born. The same will or whatever it is that can resist an Outsider, can be a match for a shadow of a fallen angel.
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But that was only the shadow of the real thing. If you have the real thing and you are not rejecting it sooner or later you will be the servant whether you know it or not. Especially when you don’t know it. Harry did not buy that partnership thing but Marcone apparently did.
Mira:
--- Quote from: Arjan on June 04, 2022, 11:52:01 AM ---But that was only the shadow of the real thing. If you have the real thing and you are not rejecting it sooner or later you will be the servant whether you know it or not. Especially when you don’t know it. Harry did not buy that partnership thing but Marcone apparently did.
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Agreed, I think arrogance has a little to do with it as well. Marcone might think he is strong enough to handle a partnership like that, and he has also hungered for a wizard's power ever since he witnessed Harry blowing the doors off his club. That desire is what played right into Namshiel's hands. Also note that we never knew the name of the previous host, it was simply, Thorned Namshiel. The host's identity had been totally absorbed.
KurtinStGeorge:
--- Quote from: Mira on June 04, 2022, 03:06:29 PM ---Agreed, I think arrogance has a little to do with it as well. Marcone might think he is strong enough to handle a partnership like that, and he has also hungered for a wizard's power ever since he witnessed Harry blowing the doors off his club. That desire is what played right into Namshiel's hands. Also note that we ever knew the name of the previous host, it was simply, Thorton Namshiel. The host's identity had been totally absorbed.
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The irony of Marcone's situation is that should the crime lord start to exhibit unusual or aberrant behavior, the only person who is likely to tell Marcone that he isn't acting like himself, is Harry. Gard is just a paid consultant and it's not her place to question any changes in Marcone's personality; though Gard's boss might like it if she reported any such changes to him. Helen Beckitt / Demeter would certainly notice any odd behavior from Marcone, but it's unlikely she would say anything. Her long-term goal is screw over Marcone so she doesn't have any motivation to do anything but make note of any changes in Marcone's demeanor or normal behavior, for possible use at the appropriate time.
None of the Knights know Marcone personally. It's not like Butters or Sanya could point out to Marcone that he is no longer acting like himself, but Harry could; and baring orders from Mab to keep his much shut, Harry probably would. This could make for a very interesting scene between Harry and Marcone, but if it occurs, I would guess that we wouldn't see it until after Harry returns from the Mirror Mirror world or perhaps not until the next Denarian book, which I believe will be the last book before the BAT.
There is also the question if Harry could do anything to get around interference from Thorned Namshiel. Harry would know from his experience with Hannah Ascher that the Fallen can make their host hear anything they want them too. Harry would have to think of something subtle to tell Marcone to avoid that, and Harry isn't someone we normally associate with subtlety.
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