The Dresden Files > DF Spoilers
Harry still hosts Lasciel's Shadow
Mira:
--- Quote ---So the Shadow retreated, to try again. This time, working longer with Id!Harry... staying even further "in the shadows." Not even giving him the brimstone... until revealed by Angelic action.
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That all sounds good, except the coin has moved on.. Hannah Asher accepted it and carried it.. Harry rejected it, If what you say is possible, you could say since he did accept and carried a coin for some time before rejecting it that Sanya still has remnants of his coin's shadow buried with in his Id as well.
Regenbogen:
--- Quote from: Mira on June 01, 2022, 10:43:00 AM ---That all sounds good, except the coin has moved on.. Hannah Asher accepted it and carried it.. Harry rejected it, If what you say is possible, you could say since he did accept and carried a coin for some time before rejecting it that Sanya still has remnants of his coin's shadow buried with in his Id as well.
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Maybe Sanya has a shadow, maybe he hasn't. Who knows. Could be, there never was a shadow within Sanya's head, because he had actually taken up the coin. He had the real deal.
I remember there have been discussions about whether one Fallen could project multiple shadows in people, who have touched their coin. I think the shadow is supposed to make the host take up the coin, that is it's only purpose. It is not supposed to not succeed.
I have always refused to believe that Lash is completely gone. The part of Harry's brain got damaged, when she protected him. But a wizard heals. I think, his brain could be healed now. So would be what was left of Lash.
Mira:
--- Quote ---Maybe Sanya has a shadow, maybe he hasn't. Who knows. Could be, there never was a shadow within Sanya's head, because he had actually taken up the coin. He had the real deal.
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Yes, and Harry's Shadow was also the real deal, they both rejected it... I think we have to return to the borrowed idea about the darkside of the Force.. Even Knights are subject to the temptation if they are emotionally stirred up enough as Harry was, even Michael.. I bet if Harry hadn't stopped him from smacking Douglas with that baseball bat, the smell of brimstone may have also been present from Michael.. The bigger point is Harry did stop and was ashamed that he had lost it.. He got the warning and didn't proceed to do evil once he came to his senses. Even if you can prove the Shadow is still there, it didn't win..
g33k:
--- Quote from: Mira on June 01, 2022, 10:43:00 AM --- That all sounds good, except the coin has moved on.. Hannah Asher accepted it and carried it.. Harry rejected it, If what you say is possible, you could say since he did accept and carried a coin for some time before rejecting it that Sanya still has remnants of his coin's shadow buried with in his Id as well.
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The coin has moved on. But once the imprint is placed in the psyche, the Shadow is separate from the Coin... a Denarius and its Fallen can (presumably) change hands/Hosts multiple times, without impact upon a Shadow.
--- Quote from: Regenbogen on June 01, 2022, 02:18:13 PM --- Maybe Sanya has a shadow, maybe he hasn't. Who knows. Could be, there never was a shadow within Sanya's head, because he had actually taken up the coin. He had the real deal.
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When you want to talk "unreliable narrator," you have got to include some mention of the Fallen and their Shadows... they're worse than the fae because they can (will!) intentionally-mislead you without any outright lies, but they're also free to lie however they want.
That said... Lasciel's Shadow was quite consistent that when Harry took up the coin, her being would be "re-absorbed" into the Fallen Angel, and cease to be. Presumably (if she was telling the truth (and if she actually knew the truth, because the Fallen Angel could well have lied to her own Shadow!)), the same would be true of Sanya -- if he ever had a Shadow, it would have returned to the Fallen when he fully-accepted the Denarius. Once he rejected the coin, he was fully-free, and un-Shadowed.
Unless, of course, the Fallen & their Shadows have been lying about this.
g33k:
--- Quote from: Regenbogen on June 01, 2022, 02:18:13 PM --- ... I remember there have been discussions about whether one Fallen could project multiple shadows in people, who have touched their coin ...
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I'm in the camp of "a Fallen can imprint as many Shadows as it wants, as often as it finds suitable subjects." It's like sealing-wax and the actual Seal -- the item that imprints onto the wax. There is no limit to the number of wax-sealed documents a single Seal can imprint.
I think that's part of the reason the Church cannot keep hold of the Coins -- every Fallen has a "harem" of a few dozen Shadowed, any of whom can summon the Fallen out of any hidey-hole or Warding that the Church can devise. If the Fallen is already in a Host that it's happy with, it doesn't have to answer the summons... but if it's feeling confined by the white-hankie-and-cross-covered-box habitat, off it goes!
This "harem" would be mostly random & ordinary-seeming people. The Shadows they host mainly advise them in how to be successful in whatever ordinary things they are doing; but also helps them pursue whatever low-grade sins & peccadillo's will "fly under the radar" (but still satisfy their cravings). Namshiel probably likes low-grade magic types to host his shadows, but includes enough others to stay unpredictable; similarly for Lasciel & libidinous people, etc.
Any time the Fallen gets freed from Church constraints, I WAG, the Fallen "rewards" their Host by staying with them for with a year or two, giving them extra power-up & and fulfilling various ambitions/fantasies.
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