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Harry still hosts Lasciel's Shadow
EBRIEN:
Consider that Lasciel's coin was taken up by another after Harry. Would that extinguish the shadow residing in his head? If the fallen are bound to the coin, would the acceptance by another be enough? Sort of an "Oh well...not gonna waste anymore time on Harry when I've got another host willingly embracing me."
Certainly, JB, can write it however he wants, but that would seem to be kinda soap opera-ish to me.
As far as Sanya being in Chicago, Marcone has a coin and was in play throughout whether he used Nam's powers or not. Though he was revealed at the end of the story, maybe the holiness of the swords was necessary to contribute to the stopping of Ethniu. There is the mention of something divine being something that had power against her armor, I think.
I like the theory and that's one of the main reasons I'm here---to listen and reflect on ideas of this community. Just not sure about this one.
Snark Knight:
Possible, but I'm not convinced the smell of brimstone was even so external as anything still riding in Harry's passenger seat.
Soulfire and Hellfire are two sides of the same coin - I think that was Harry on the verge of corrupting Uriel's gift simply out of his own wrath and Winter's influence over how to express it, and the Knights were deployed to get him to step back from that brink.
Pretty sure something 'cheated' to arrange Harry's failure to get a shield up and Rudolph's semi-accidental trigger finger in order to provoke him to such a reaction, too. That might have given Uriel the leeway to move pieces to save Harry's soul.
Mira:
--- Quote ---Soulfire and Hellfire are two sides of the same coin - I think that was Harry on the verge of corrupting Uriel's gift simply out of his own wrath and Winter's influence over how to express it, and the Knights were deployed to get him to step back from that brink.
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Except when he went after Rudolph he didn't use Soul Fire, didn't even think to call it up. It may be a subtle difference, but he didn't cross the line.. I don't think the Winter Mantle had anything to do with Harry striking out at Rudolph, that was pure reaction when he witnessed something one should never witness, and Harry simply lost it.. When wizards lose it, it is very bad ass..
g33k:
--- Quote from: Conspiracy Theorist on April 28, 2022, 08:35:17 AM ---The problem is Uriel, HE would know so either your wrong or Uriel is playing along with Lash.
The latter is not impossible if it is part of a wider redemption arc being played out by Uriel for Lash, a longer play to re-unite Lash with Lasciel to allow her to be Risen, which ultimately is what he is after. Getting hosts redeemed like Sasha is a big win, but returning a Fallen to the fold dwarfs it in comparison.
I think in the Dresden Files we are going to see Harry responsible at least in part for the creation of a Risen, the redemption of a Fallen and it could be either Lasciel or Anduriel given his extended interaction with them/their hosts. If Lash in some degree survived then my money is on Lasciel. Certainly part of Lash survived in Bonea, so that story line really hasn’t ended yet.
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I suspect (if my WAG is right) that Uriel simply feels that Harry has demonstrated enough ability to resist the Shadow, and to turn back from brinks that he was set-up upon; Uriel can work with Harry even though the Shadow's still there.
I too agree that one (or more?) of the Fallen may be on redemption-arcs. My bet is Anduriel; but maybe Nicodemus will instead give up the Coin (it seems to me another likely redemption-arc). I don't think that Harry's Lash has much bearing on Lasciel, though!
g33k:
--- Quote from: morriswalters on April 28, 2022, 09:23:07 AM ---Never say never. But Harry has had rage issues since Storm Front. Where he proclaims...
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Seems pretty rage like to me.
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Rage, sure. But he self-controlled it. The key issue is: Harry didn't do it. Harry didn't use his magic to do something "wrong."
I'm pointing to times where Harry used beyond-mortal means -- whether his wizard power, his WK-mantle, or an ancient Rampire blood-magic ritual -- to actually do something wrong.
I note he was also similarly-tempted under Hexenwulf-belt influence, for example.
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