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Battle ground questions
Arjan:
--- Quote from: morriswalters on May 02, 2022, 02:00:24 PM ---All time travel stories are paradoxical by definition since they break causality. If Harry is going to time travel and Butcher says he is, and if he is going to change things, then he has to explain the paradox since he directly pointed it out.
If his intent is to merely fix continuity errors he can use the dazzle them with footwork technique. Spielberg did this in Raiders of the Lost Ark when he has Indy hide on a submarine in broad daylight in the middle of the Med. He then ramps up the action and never gives you a chance to question it. That's one way and I would be okay with that.
He seems to have something more substantive in mind. I don't know the why but I think he's telling us how. His chosen path seems to be a branching history. This is Mirror Mirror in a nutshell. So if he is in a time loop, the idea may be that he has not returned to the future he comes from. The Dresden time line that we see doesn't contain Harry Prime. That the reality the DFiles takes place in, isn't the the reality it started from.
What I would suspect if this were true, is that eventually Harry Prime ended up in a place where things are falling apart. And goes back from the end of the world to loop through again to try and stop it. But this timeline is a product of the loop. This is classic time travel fodder. So in this scenario the Harry we see isn't Harry Prime. Harry Prime is either dead somewhere in the past or hidden somewhere.
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In a nutshell why I don't like time travel stories. I like causality.
morriswalters:
You and me both. ;D
Yuillegan:
--- Quote from: Conspiracy Theorist on May 02, 2022, 01:51:16 PM ---Only Harry is aware that Elaine is nearly as strong as him, the lazy White Council are relying upon Carlos assessment, as being too weak for the White Council. Carlos and his judgements on attractive women should not be trusted. I wonder if he reported back on the Molly incident?
Carlos will almost certainly try to reign in Elaine on orders of the White Council only to find to his horror, she is both much more powerful and more technically gifted (due to her tuition in Summer) than he is. It will not go well for Carlos psyche.
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Well, as far as we know. If Cowl were on the White Council he would know about Elaine's real strength (along with whatever other agents that may exist, who may know of her). Carlos is an admittedly poor judge.
All of which illustrate the point I was making: hiding one's magical strength, skill, will, experience and natural talent can happen. How many other "weak" practioners are more than they seem? Let alone those who apparently demonstrate little to no magical talent or knowledge.
By the way, I'd say Carlos would have had to report some of the attack by Molly given the extent of his injuries. And the Senior Council have enormous information streams that they have access to, so I would hardly be surprised if they knew before he reported to them.
Why do you think Carlos would try and reign in Elaine? As far as he knows (and the White Council at large), she is a lowly non-wizard level talent. A minor practioner in their eyes. I do suspect Elaine could take Carlos, because while Carlos is probably the right sort of fighter to take out Dresden and exploit his weaknesses, those same talents will leave him vulnerable to someone like Elaine. Which isn't to say Carlos is a slouch either.
--- Quote from: morriswalters on May 02, 2022, 02:00:24 PM ---All time travel stories are paradoxical by definition since they break causality. If Harry is going to time travel and Butcher says he is, and if he is going to change things, then he has to explain the paradox since he directly pointed it out.
If his intent is to merely fix continuity errors he can use the dazzle them with footwork technique. Spielberg did this in Raiders of the Lost Ark when he has Indy hide on a submarine in broad daylight in the middle of the Med. He then ramps up the action and never gives you a chance to question it. That's one way and I would be okay with that.
He seems to have something more substantive in mind. I don't know the why but I think he's telling us how. His chosen path seems to be a branching history. This is Mirror Mirror in a nutshell. So if he is in a time loop, the idea may be that he has not returned to the future he comes from. The Dresden time line that we see doesn't contain Harry Prime. That the reality the DFiles takes place in, isn't the the reality it started from.
What I would suspect if this were true, is that eventually Harry Prime ended up in a place where things are falling apart. And goes back from the end of the world to loop through again to try and stop it. But this timeline is a product of the loop. This is classic time travel fodder. So in this scenario the Harry we see isn't Harry Prime. Harry Prime is either dead somewhere in the past or hidden somewhere.
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I agree, some type of paradox has occured...somwhere. It would surprise me to learn Harry isn't one...
Conspiracy Theorist:
I agree, Morty would be of wizard level, only a bit below Molly, but his talents and affinities run so clearly into the spirit, even more so than Molly, he would be tarred with necromancer brush, he would fake being weaker, and still manage to get on Morgan’s shit list. Wizard of Ghosts?
There may indeed be several Wizard Level talents who are going to be very interested in seeing what the White Council do with Harry publicly declaring himself the Wizard of Chicago. We might see others declaring themselves the Wizard of something or other
Mira:
--- Quote from: Conspiracy Theorist on May 03, 2022, 03:06:48 PM ---I agree, Morty would be of wizard level, only a bit below Molly, but his talents and affinities run so clearly into the spirit, even more so than Molly, he would be tarred with necromancer brush, he would fake being weaker, and still manage to get on Morgan’s shit list. Wizard of Ghosts?
There may indeed be several Wizard Level talents who are going to be very interested in seeing what the White Council do with Harry publicly declaring himself the Wizard of Chicago. We might see others declaring themselves the Wizard of something or other
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Or joining Harry to make a Council of their own.. When you think how Wardens go around nabbing young possible future warlocks and lopping their heads off, and yet we know of at least two very talented wizards the go unnoticed.. Just how competent is the White Council?
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