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Battle ground questions
Conspiracy Theorist:
It is influenced and doesn’t require a coin, it does mean though that Uriel and his agents are allowed to act to counter the influence, and they did.
g33k:
--- Quote from: Fcrate on April 24, 2022, 09:10:19 PM --- Revenge is evil?
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Yes, it is.
--- Quote from: Fcrate on April 24, 2022, 09:10:19 PM --- What happened to "an eye for an eye"?
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Justice is separate, and not evil.
--- Quote from: Fcrate on April 24, 2022, 09:10:19 PM --- I'd say that when Harry knelt and cried in shame is the part where he was out of character. The revenge part is on par.
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Acting out of hatred, rage, fear, etc... That's all very Sith, not at all Jedi.
Harry realized he had slipped over into Sithmode.
And we *know* how the Dresdenverse feels about that particular split.
Mira:
--- Quote from: Mr. Mouse on April 24, 2022, 10:25:57 PM ---The scene in Battleground when Butters and Sanya stopping Harry from killing Rudolph is a parallel of the scene in the short story "The Warrior" when Harry stops Michael from continuing to beat an unconscious Douglas (possibly killing him) after the priest had kidnapped Michael's daugher Alicia.
Would the Fidelacchius of Butters have burned Michael in that moment?
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I think it would have. Harry didn't do evil, in the emotion of the moment he was about to do evil just like Michael was, to kill in anger and judgement. Judgement belongs to the Almighty, Michael of all people knows that, he is a Holy Knight, yet he lost it because of the pain that man caused his child. The Sword stopped Harry with a brimstone smelling burn to remind him of what he was about to do and bring him back to himself and sanity. Just like Harry stopped Michael when he was beating Father Steven to death with that baseball bat. Both Harry and Michael in that moment had good reason to want to kill, angry enough to kill, and lost it. What is telling about both men, isn't the burn on Harry's arm or Harry able to control Michael finally, is their reaction afterward.. Both Michael and Harry felt intense shame and remorse,once they came to their senses. Harry continues to feel shame for the rest of the book every time he feel a twinge of pain from that burn. Evil men don't feel shame or remorse, they just continue to do evil.. That is what redemption is about, we all make mistakes, when we realize it we try to make up for it. Or if you don't want to go that route, why does a vet tie down an animal in severe pain? To prevent the animal from striking out in it's pain, from hurting itself further, and hurting the person trying to take away it's pain. Sanya and Butters were trying to stop Harry from striking out in his pain, and got hurt in the process. They understood that and forgave him on the spot because in that moment he wasn't responsible. The Sword, which is also about Redemption with a capital "R" was able to get through Harry's pain where they could not, and stop Harry from hurting himself and others.. That fact isn't lost on Harry, he feels the shame of his reaction and remorse that he hurt people he cares about who were trying to help him in that moment. Those are not the emotions of a destroyer or an evil person.
Conspiracy Theorist:
If Harry had killed Rudy, Harry would have considered that evil after the event, crossing a line he was not previously prepared to do, kill a mortal in cold blood, not in self-defence. That’s what Sanya and Butters was trying to prevent, Harry flipping over into being a Destroyer by his own definition.
morriswalters:
--- Quote from: Mr. Mouse on April 24, 2022, 10:25:57 PM ---The scene in Battleground when Butters and Sanya stopping Harry from killing Rudolph is a parallel of the scene in the short story "The Warrior" when Harry stops Michael from continuing to beat an unconscious Douglas (possibly killing him) after the priest had kidnapped Michael's daugher Alicia.
Would the Fidelacchius of Butters have burned Michael in that moment?
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Apples and oranges. No one dies and Harry never has to raise a hand to Michael. Michael is angry but not out of control.
In the real world this is the type of anger you see when a man kills his wife because of some perceived slight. It's irrational. When you get the internal view of what Rudolph is thinking he feels disgust and revulsion at what he has done. Harry feels joy watching Rudolph die. Feeling the bones breaking. Watching as Rudolph urinates on himself out of fear. The abject superiority of his vision of hate versus both Sanya's and Butter's.
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