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Star Born (direct quotes compilation)
Conspiracy Theorist:
There’s another Destroyer quote in Battle Ground page 51
--- Quote ---“Be comforted, my Knight: I chose you for times precisely such as these, when an elemental of destruction is what is most needed.”
--- End quote ---
(-No using red please, mod team :))
So the White Council and Mab clearly know what he is a Destroyer, an elemental of destruction which likely comes from the Sacred game as the primary weapon of one is fire and force. In classical terms Harry is a Salamander. It’s weaknesses are ice and poison. Could the Winter Mantle actually be a moderating influence on Harry’s elemental nature, channeling it and that is the struggle he has with it? Creating a balance in some respects whilst it creates an imbalance in others?
Mira:
--- Quote from: Conspiracy Theorist on February 21, 2022, 10:59:16 AM ---There’s another Destroyer quote in Battle Ground page 51
--- Quote ---“Be comforted, my Knight: I chose you for times precisely such as these, when an elemental of destruction is what is most needed.”
--- End quote ---
So the White Council and Mab clearly know what he is a Destroyer, an elemental of destruction which likely comes from the Sacred game as the primary weapon of one is fire and force. In classical terms Harry is a Salamander. It’s weaknesses are ice and poison. Could the Winter Mantle actually be a moderating influence on Harry’s elemental nature, channeling it and that is the struggle he has with it? Creating a balance in some respects whilst it creates an imbalance in others?
--- End quote ---
Or she wants him to be, she continues to manipulate him to be.. But his has Uriel's seven words to balance him out. It isn't the mantle that balances Harry, it is the personality of his father that he inherited that balances Harry and makes him different from other star born.
Conspiracy Theorist:
It’s several things I think pulling Harry in several different directions to create a balance, the Mantle, Soulfire, Maggie and his family, his Elemental Nature, Demonreach it’s the pentagram all over again, because he is Starborn. Knock out one or more and you don’t have Harry. Ethnui knew this so she attacked his who whole father/child issues.
Alt Harry in MM only has his elemental nature, unbalanced.
From Battle Ground by Mab p53-54.
“Immortality offers a significant advantage, but it is no substitute for intelligence. Remember that, young wizard.” Ebenezar scowled and opened his mouth. “Should it for some bizarre reason ever be necessary,” Mab said smoothly, before he could speak.”
Immortality is on the table for Harry, but not for everyone see the Darkhallow. A successful Darkhallow requires a Starborn? But the Darkhallow only magnifies that which is already there.
This makes me think that it is easier to gain immortality through a Mantle rather than through any other means.
Mira:
Immortality doesn't appeal to everyone though, and at this point anyway, I don't see that
it appeals to Harry all that much. It was a possible selling point for accepting Lasciel's
coin, and he didn't. There is no joy in immortality if all your nearest and dearest are mortal
and age and die around you. Friends and relations are important to Harry. Immortality isn't a substitute for intelligence, but one can hope that with the added centuries some wisdom is gained. I think she has been around for so long and in a position of power for so long that Mab no longer understands what Eb was trying to say. Also perhaps like a lot of highly intelligent people for whom things come easy along with power, she has no understanding for ordinary mortals save for how to exploit them.
--- Quote ---This makes me think that it is easier to gain immortality through a Mantle rather than through any other means.
--- End quote ---
I think that is the only way for an ordinary mortal to gain immortality. Wizards naturally live a much longer life span that vanilla humans, but eventually even they grow older and die. Denarians are the closest I think to ordinary humans gaining immortality as long as they keep the coin. The Holy Knights are mere mortals like the rest of us, even if they remain Knights for years like Michael and Shiro, eventually get old and will die someday. I'm not sure whether or not White Court Vampires are immortal, they live a very long time, but I don't remember it being said they are immortal. I don't think either the Summer or Winter Knight mantle gives immortality along with it, because the Knights remain mortals, they are not transformed into Fae like the Queens. So in the case of Molly, she gained immortality with her Lady's Mantel, but the price for it may be her soul.
morriswalters:
Reading through I had an ugly thought and I hope I'm wrong. Butcher's going to combine necromancy and Starborn's, in Mirror Mirror. The long and the short seems straight forward enough. Starborn's are life powerups for other Starborn's. MM Harry is eating other Harry's to stay alive when he should die. Kinda like Kemmler.
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