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Star Born (direct quotes compilation)
Conspiracy Theorist:
It may be something like the Darkhallow works best for a Starborn, or it is the missing piece Kemmler overlooked. If so Corpsetaker and Grevane etc may not have succeeded. One has to wonder why Kemmler never used it, or in fact did he use it but it didn’t fully work?. His last incarnation was far more powerful than he is portrayed in a Fistful of Warlocks, but not god level and he didn’t become immortal. Is that the difference?, a Starborn mortal can become immortal using it? Without a Mantle?
Both the Darkhallow and the killing of Immortals are linked to Halloween, as is Harry’s birthday. Is that the connection?
Con:
--- Quote from: Conspiracy Theorist on February 16, 2022, 09:15:33 AM ---It may be something like the Darkhallow works best for a Starborn, or it is the missing piece Kemmler overlooked. If so Corpsetaker and Grevane etc may not have succeeded. One has to wonder why Kemmler never used it, or in fact did he use it but it didn’t fully work?. His last incarnation was far more powerful than he is portrayed in a Fistful of Warlocks, but not god level and he didn’t become immortal. Is that the difference?, a Starborn mortal can become immortal using it? Without a Mantle?
Both the Darkhallow and the killing of Immortals are linked to Halloween, as is Harry’s birthday. Is that the connection?
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I like the idea of Corpsetaker and Grevane failing anyway despite all their efforts during the Dark Hallow, and they may be greedy mad and power hungry to be arrogantly believe they could ull it off regardless. Cowl though is a little more centred I mean at the very least he ponders on whether or not he is insane and if so how would he know.
Oh and also I added the Rashid Senior Council discussion from Summer Knight cause I thought it might be relevant.
Yuillegan:
--- Quote from: Con on February 16, 2022, 08:59:19 AM ---Harry's rage as a symptom of Star Born could be relevant it could explain why Morgan tried to provoke Harry as much as possible/ If he can't control his rage he can't wield the power of Star Born responsibly.
I also agree Harry's childhood and how he was raised was text book to create someone with rage and trust issues. Ironcallly or tragically I've been watching some Good Will Hunting clips. Will the main character has some analogies. Child genius grew up in the system was abused by it, only trusts a limited circle of friends who he knows will back him up in a fight. Still has a desire for a strong and kind father figure.
So how much of that is just psychological human of growing up abused and how much is Dresden potentially going dark side. Probably a bit of both.
Kemmler got closer then most. I don't doubt he was one of the few Wizards who made it back from death like Vadderung says. There's a woj on Kemmler being the Warden before last and White Council scrambled to make sure he never reached the island. It didn't occur to me because I was focused on Star Born stuff not Warden stuff, but I'll add it here and in the original post now that I think of it.
I don't think Cowl is Star Born. I think he's Simon Pietrovich so outside of the 666. I don't think you necessarily have to be Star Born to pull off Dark Hallow. Otherwise Corpsetaker and Grevane would be Star Born candidates as well.
Thanks Yuillegan!
I dunno about how directly that bible verse applies. I mean Jim isn't shy about Christian influence, but we usually only get the bible parallels when the Knights or even more specifically the Carpenters get involved.
As for telling Harry the truth. Their has to be some sort of personal betrayal to it for Ebenezar to feel so guilty about it, and it has to be more major then being Blackstaff, Being Grandfather and finding out Thomas is his Grandson. The last one was still fresh and there was still something that makes him hesitate.
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You know, I just had an interesting thought. Morgan trying to provoke Harry reminded me of Nicodemus provoking Uriel. I wonder if it's a similar sort of thing (coming from completely different angles of course). Angels are known to be wrathful. Even the Angel of Death seemed a little unstable for a moment. Emotions are tied to magic after all. Perhaps this is part of the reason of keeping angels under a strict code - Lucifer's Fall along with his followers shows the result of the other side of it. Perhaps star born need to be more controlled because the have the potential to wield just so much power...and Harry isn't exactly the poster boy for control.
Perhaps it part of the reason Harry was abused. To bring him closer to that darkness. How awful for Harry.
Yeah, I know the Bible verse is a bit tenuous. But then again, Jim sprinkles it through everything. It's not the first passage he has linked to either. Just mining for clues, hoping to strike gold...
Mira:
Or using the Star Wars metaphor, "One must not give into the dark side of the Force." That is why a Jedi has to keep his or her emotions under control and not be too connected emotionally to anyone.
They have great power, but if they lose their temper and really cut loose with it, they start going
down a dark road and turn into someone like Darth Vader.
Conspiracy Theorist:
--- Quote from: Con on February 16, 2022, 10:08:25 AM ---I like the idea of Corpsetaker and Grevane failing anyway despite all their efforts during the Dark Hallow, and they may be greedy mad and power hungry to be arrogantly believe they could ull it off regardless. Cowl though is a little more centred I mean at the very least he ponders on whether or not he is insane and if so how would he know.
Oh and also I added the Rashid Senior Council discussion from Summer Knight cause I thought it might be relevant.
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Kemmler knew his own research, and had it backed up in Bob, so why leave a hard copy lying around as Become a Dark God for Dummies? It could only have been a trap for the unwary, leaving out one key but lethal detail.
Kemmler may have been waiting for the next cycle, for someone just like Harry, do a bodyswap and then the Darkhallow, if so only Corpsetaker could have survived out of the heirs, but only if she had swapped Harry rather than Luccio. He wanted to get back to Demonreach because (1) he could release a Naagloshii for example rather than try to summon the Erl King for their immortality, making it easier and (2) using the big circle on Demonreach would prevent gatecrashers like Cowl, Drakul or the heirs from disrupting the Darkhallow, or usurping it.
Cowl was very sure he could swoop in and take the Darkhallow from whichever heir was ‘successful’, so he maybe knew something they didn’t and was waiting for them to trigger any traps.
Note when Corpsetaker returns she is looking for the body of a high powered practitioner, at a time when Chicago’s most powerful practitioner ostensibly doesn’t have a body. She is also allied with Evil Bob, who has the full Word of Kemmler, a very dangerous situation as its puts her on the route to the rise of a new Dark God.
Now Uriel has an Intellectus, he would have known of the phone call to Kincaid, but didn’t try to stop Harry, but did take Heroic measures to keep Harry’s body and soul alive, if separate. He also would have known of the potential threat from the Corpsetaker/Evil Bob alliance, if Harry’s body was ambulatory.
This also may be why very few Starborn are running around, Drakul and Cowl have been thinning the field, and they don’t dare either undertake a Darkhallow with possibility the other could usurp it and destroy the pretender. Harry giving the Word to Mavra may have been unintentionally the best move and why no one else has done one. Both also know a third player, Harry could usurp any Darkhallow they attempt, and immediately crush both.
This deals with an awful lot of plot holes in a consistent manner from Dead Beat onwards to Battle Ground, puts Kemmler and Ghost Story in a much better context.
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