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Star Born (direct quotes compilation)
Mira:
--- Quote ---(1) The mug appears to be actual matter and not composed of ectoplasm, so it isn’t a common conjuration like with conjouritis. That means putting in enough energy to create the matter from scratch and that is prohibitive see e=MC 2.
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Gifts from Kringle or Santa are usually made of actual matter, not ectoplasm. In the real world you are correct about creating matter from scratch, but this is the Dresdenverse.. It is also a gift from Santa, and a bit of a miracle, and as such all practical rules of the universe to out the window.
--- Quote ---Malcolm is a spirit, and does not possess even the ghost of the Coffee mug, but does know it’s importance to Harry without invading his mind. He may have known what happened to his stuff as a spirit. He then tells Kringle about the Mug and where it is and Kringle gets it.
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Doesn't matter, even as a spirit, Malcolm is Harry's loving father, and as loving parents everywhere if asked by Kringle, would know what would comfort Harry the most. Especially when you consider how close they were in life, it was just father and son until his death. He tells Kringle and Kringle gets his elves to put it together to present to Harry on Christmas Eve.
Conspiracy Theorist:
--- Quote from: Mira on February 18, 2022, 09:09:50 PM ---Gifts from Kringle or Santa are usually made of actual matter, not ectoplasm. In the real world you are correct about creating matter from scratch, but this is the Dresdenverse.. It is also a gift from Santa, and a bit of a miracle, and as such all practical rules of the universe to out the window.Doesn't matter, even as a spirit, Malcolm is Harry's loving father, and as loving parents everywhere if asked by Kringle, would know what would comfort Harry the most. Especially when you consider how close they were in life, it was just father and son until his death. He tells Kringle and Kringle gets his elves to put it together to present to Harry on Christmas Eve.
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Harry repeatedly states that magic has to obey certain physical laws such as thermodynamics, so to create matter, proper matter almost certainly follows them.
Kringle gets gifts which already exist, he wouldn’t for example dare create an Apple IPad, their lawyers would destroy him and even Mab isn’t that good a lawyer. He probably buys them or has them donated in exactly the same way Molly did for hers. Monoc Security probably is the source of the money, so Marcone as one of Monoc’s best customers is indirectly responsible for so much goodwill and cheer to children (another argument for Marcone inheriting the Kringle Mantle, he is Kringle at one step removed already, the silent partner). Kringle only has to undertake a token amount of gift giving to ensure that he has the belief of children. If Christmas Carol Eve has shown us anything Kringle takes credit for the hard work and sweat of a good many dads.
Given Faerie contract rules, Odin probably ‘paid’ for the Mantle by underwriting the costs of the gifts that he has to provide under that Mantle. Such is the price of immortality.
Yuillegan:
--- Quote from: morriswalters on February 18, 2022, 08:13:33 PM --- I keep looking for three wise men and the Star of Bethlehem. Just in case you haven't noticed the imagery.
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Wizards are often known as "the Wise" as that's part of the meaning of the word, and are sometimes referred to as the three Magi, so I'd guess three wizards.
I suspect the OG Merlin may well have attended the birth of Christ (considering he is the superman of his world and seems to be involved in every other thing). No idea which other two - but Morgan La Fey seems like a distinct possibility. I know it's three wise men but Jim could do it however he likes. I can't think of two other famous wizards around that time.
As for the birth of Harry...Maggie was already there obviously. Ebenezar likely wasn't otherwise I think he could have protected her. I could see Justin being there for some strange reason. The third candidate stumps me a little. Cowl perhaps? Or someone of that order (assuming Justin and Cowl are not one and the same)?
I do think the Star of Bethlehem is highly significant. Some theories include it being a triple conjunction of Jupiter, Regulus, and Venus; Jupiter, the Moon, and Regulas; Halley's Comet; or a Nova in the Andromeda galaxy. Given the significance of conjunctions in the series one might think the first or second are most likely. However, we also know that falling stars are highly significant in Christian theology and the Dresden Files (i.e. things like Wormwood and stars falling from the sky respectively) which means there are probably good arguments to support the comet theory. The nova theory seems least likely (with respect to the Dresden Files) yet is most likely in real terms (as the Chinese recorded a nova around 4BC).
Curiously, I believe the JW's believe that the Star of Bethlehem was actually a sign of Satan rather than of God. This would line up with the whole 666 cycle for star borns in the Dresden Files.
The SDA's seem to believe that it was a distant choir of Angels but the wise-men were ignorant of this (the irony) - however I am not so sure that this would be the case in the Dresdenverse. Maybe an Archangel perhaps?
Another interesting thing is that the star is portrayed as a five-pointed star in some art works - similar to Harry's pentacle (without the circle obviously).
Conspiracy Theorist:
You do realise Halley’s Comet is responsible for the orionids meteor shower, every year between 2 October and 7 November bracketing Harry’s birthday. Stars and Stones!
One of the more inauspicious appearances of Halley’s Comet was 1066, when Mab rode with Conqueror and broke up with her sister Titania.
Arthurian period is generally a couple of centuries after Christ, so no Arthurian characters there, however the White Council in its first form came into being in Roman times. Given the smaller population and greater issues as regards travel, Wizards would have had great problems ever meeting another wizard in their lives. What if the Magi were in fact the first iteration of the White Council? It was them who discovered how to travel the ways after meeting up, and comparing notes and thus able to keep in touch and to contact other wizards?
Hecate was the Roman goddess of Magic, this is pre Faerie Courts whose domains run most closely to the mortal world. What if the formation of the courts also led to the formation of the proto White Council?
With Hecate pouring her power into the Mantles, the next god associated with teaching humanity magic is Odin. Wizard lifespans are such that Merlin and the Magi could just have overlapped in their old age and his youth, and were Merlin’s early teachers, soon outstripped by him requiring Odin to take part in his training.
This plays into the Arthurian Christianity and grail lore, providing a connection between that and the life of Christ.
In the Dresdenverse the quest for the Grail led to its recovery and its sequestering in Hades vault, part of the Mab/Odin/Hades/Uriel conspiracy which may date that far back (Hecate instead of Mab at this stage, but Mab inheriting the role with her Mantle).
The Greco Roman Gods were the defenders of the Gates before Winter, so the birth of Christ may have been the turnover point, requiring the formation of the Fairie Courts and with it eventually the White Council, Merlin and Demonreach. The Crucifixtion may have been ritual magic designed to create the Courts, the Mantles even Demonreach and changes to the NeverNever utilising the items in the Hades Vault. The closest example we have seen is the bloodline curse which wiped out the Red Court. Now imagine instead the son of the White God, a physical manifestation sacrificed to power the creation of the new defenders of the Outer Gates and the prison in the mortal world for those which would side with the Outsiders. Possible given Demonreach was built using time travel.
From Wikipedia the “Wandering Jew”
Medieval legend
Some scholars have identified components of the legend of the Eternal Jew in Teutonic legends of the Eternal Hunter, some features of which are derived from Odin mythology.”
He gets about doesn’t he? It’s Odin who curses Christ setting up the ritual magic creating the Mantles, Courts and powering the creation of Demonreach which he passes off to his future protege Merlin to undertake. Odin gives up his godhood and takes the Kringle Mantle. Odin is supposed to die at Ragnarok, the Eternal Jew at the second coming. They may be the same thing from different perspectives.
The fact that the statues which are the physical manifestation of the Mantles are in the same vault as the crucifixion items suggests a connection between the two. It is no coincidence. The fact that the Warden is given custody of those items is no coincidence.
morriswalters:
You realize that makes the WC the Pharisees.
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