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Battle Ground foreshadowing
EBRIEN:
--- Quote from: g33k on January 26, 2022, 01:27:48 AM ---
I agree: I think we may well see Mother Winter depart, and the Mantle suck Mab out from under the Winter Queen mantle... and if Molly is still Winter Lady...
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Are we sure that would happen? One ascends to the next level? We've only seen what happens when one of the Winter Ladies is killed and the Mantle passes to one most suited. If Mab were killed, could Mother Winter could hold her Mantle or bestow it on someone other than Molly? Or, if Mother Winter was done, could Mab hold her Mantle until she was prepped or a Winter Queen was prepped?
Just spitballing here.
Cheers---B
Conspiracy Theorist:
The Mothers are pretty much unkillable, high power Immortals with Intellectus, so no one is going to be able to sneak up on them, and there are two of them, one always watching. Retirement is another matter, wearying of the role they are stuck in, wanting to relinquish it.
Mab wasn’t able to redirect the Winter Lady Mantle, like she can the Winter Knight Mantle , but she may not have wanted to, she certainly couldn’t control the Summer Lady Mantle, Maeve murdered the Summer Lady to deny Mab her choice. Retirement would allow control of the direction of the Mantles, Mother Winter uses the big circle on Demonreach so that it contains Herself, Mab and Lara but not Molly. The Circle protects reality from her extrusion into it. She retires and her Mantle goes to Mab, who accepts it displacing Mab’s Mantle which only has the choice of Lara, Molly is cut off from it by the circle and the Winter Queen Mantle cannot identify her, going instead to Lara.
The Mantles are creations, at a default they are designed to go somewhere immediately, to ensure continuity of power if they cannot go to the designated candidate they will go to the next appropriate candidate, as occurred with Molly.
If things go wrong you have Harry and Alfred on standby, they take Lara down, but release her immediately minus her demon which is kept in storage and the Mantle keeps her alive in its absence.
Basil:
--- Quote from: Conspiracy Theorist on January 26, 2022, 05:20:52 AM ---Mab wasn’t able to redirect the Winter Lady Mantle, like she can the Winter Knight Mantle , but she may not have wanted to, she certainly couldn’t control the Summer Lady Mantle, Maeve murdered the Summer Lady to deny Mab her choice. Retirement would allow control of the direction of the Mantles, Mother Winter uses the big circle on Demonreach so that it contains Herself, Mab and Lara but not Molly. The Circle protects reality from her extrusion into it. She retires and her Mantle goes to Mab, who accepts it displacing Mab’s Mantle which only has the choice of Lara, Molly is cut off from it by the circle and the Winter Queen Mantle cannot identify her, going instead to Lara.
The Mantles are creations, at a default they are designed to go somewhere immediately, to ensure continuity of power if they cannot go to the designated candidate they will go to the next appropriate candidate, as occurred with Molly.
If things go wrong you have Harry and Alfred on standby, they take Lara down, but release her immediately minus her demon which is kept in storage and the Mantle keeps her alive in its absence.
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I disagree with Mab being unable to direct the Winter Lady Mantle. She clearly intended it to go to Sarissa, but Maeve's murder of Lilly ruined that plan. Maeve/Nemesis didn't count on Molly and Maeve/Nemesis probably thought that if Mab dealt with Maeve that Justine/Nemesis would get the Winter Lady Mantle.
However, I agree with you that Mab has a way to deal with the White Court Demon. We already know that Winter can create powerful unravelings that could undo the Red Vampire curse, and that Winter can quiet the Red Vampire Hunger. The White Court Hunger seems much more separable from the Host.
How will Harry and Lara consumate their impending marriage if Lara "eats" him? Or is the Winter Knight a power source that could be fed upon, but not devoured like the Big Foot Scion?
Arjan:
--- Quote from: Conspiracy Theorist on January 24, 2022, 07:12:22 PM ---The Mister Microfiction disproved that Mister is the White God.
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It just confirmed that he is fully white god and fully cat. He is incarnated as cat so of course as cat he has nine lives.
LostInTime:
Mab's instruction to Harry was to "Kill Molly Carpenter". Not, kill lady Molly. Or kill the Winter Lady.
Names, offices and mantles are incredibly important to the fae. Mab summoned Kringle, not Vadderung. Same person, two different names and offices. Harry bound Molly because the Warden of Demonreach did a favor for Winter, by enforcing the Accords and binding Ethniu. Winter was obligated to repay the favor and he called upon them to pay for the funerals and medical bills.
Harry Dresden, The Za Lord, The Wizard of Chicago, or the Winter Knight could not have bound Ethniu. Only the Warden of Demonreach could have bound her.
Name and mantles, kid. That's how they get you.
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