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Battle Ground foreshadowing
seanham:
I think Mab's command is directed more at killing Molly and less at killing the Winter Lady. We know from Good People that Molly is more human than Mab would like and that Mab thinks that could limit her potential in the Winter Court. One could kill Molly without killing the Winter Lady. Molly would just become Maeve.
Conspiracy Theorist:
No killing Molly would make her the Winter Lady, and not Maeve, Maeve fought against the Mantle and embraced Nemesis. Molly has embraced the Mantle and is taking it in direction Mab didn’t expect and doesn’t understand.
It’s not what Molly did which unnerved Mab, it’s that the Mantle not only allowed it but ran with it. Molly is unlocking previously unknown potential in the Mantle, and if she can do that as Winter Lady, what could she do as Queen? Winter being charitable? Impossible! Not in The Good People. Even The Redcap’s small heart grew three sizes that day.
morriswalters:
Mab doesn't speak in metaphors. There is no reason to believe that Mab meant other than what she said. There is nothing to suggest that once you become a Lady or a Queen that you can get out from under other than by dying.
Butcher makes the point over and over that Mab would throw Harry under the bus without hesitation if it needed to happen. Just on that basis Molly isn't fit. Could she kill Harry, or for that matter could she sacrifice her family if she needed to? She has too much heart for that.
I'd like to think they were destined to live together forever, but my heart says that Butcher is a sadist in practice.
Yuillegan:
--- Quote from: TrueMonk on January 24, 2022, 07:04:19 PM ---A lot of beings are said to have nine lives, some people believe the white god is one such being which has been part of ehe series for a long time.
At least Molly believes she is immortal. In battle ground she told Harry she could go through a wood chipper and she would get better.
It was not the breaking down of reality, it was being hit by the eye itself. If she had waited by Odin, the Earl King and Titania's bodies, put them in a pile and blasted them when it was ready then they would have been dead. Or if she had managed to hit Mab a second time
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Again, has it ever been stated or implied during the series or in a WOJ that TWG in the Dresden Files has nine lives? I don't believe so but would be happy for someone to point this out. I am not talking about whether the Abrahamic God that several billion people in our world believe in - we don't discuss real world beliefs here, with the sole exception of the what's contextual to the Dresden Files. The White God of the Dresden Files IS NOT the same being as the Abrahamic God in our world. Jim may have based TWG on aspects of the Abrahamic God. But the Dresden Files is a story and needs to be treated as such. TWG is a fictional being. The status of the Abrahamic God in our world is one that has been in constant debate for a very long time and these boards are not the appropriate place to discuss this.
I want to make this extremely clear: stick to talking about what's in the series, not current real-world beliefs.
I understand that is at times difficult given that the book is set in the present day and uses things from our world. But the Dresden Files is a work of fiction and any statements or implied points should be reviewed under that lens. If we go too far into real world beliefs we are in Touchy Topics territory and things could get out of hand. I don't want that.
Molly is an immortal, although perhaps one of the least of them. But all immortals cannot die except in very specific circumstances one of which is being in a conjunction (which is a measure of a point in time and space), Bob suggest some parts of the Nevernever may also render immortals mortal, and Jim has said that the Eye of Balor can kill immortals should they fail to stop or evade the blast (the example he used was Uriel). I agree that a second hit from the Eye would have killed Mab; Mab herself as much says that when asked how she survived at all.
--- Quote from: Conspiracy Theorist on January 24, 2022, 07:12:22 PM ---The Mister Microfiction disproved that Mister is the White God.
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That's one way of looking at it. The Egg by Andy Weir might suggest otherwise (if that takes your fancy): :)
--- Quote from: seanham on January 24, 2022, 08:16:51 PM ---I think Mab's command is directed more at killing Molly and less at killing the Winter Lady. We know from Good People that Molly is more human than Mab would like and that Mab thinks that could limit her potential in the Winter Court. One could kill Molly without killing the Winter Lady. Molly would just become Maeve.
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This^. Mab doesn't want Harry to unmake the mantle. That would be insanity. But wanting a new Winter Lady is hardly unusual...Cold Days was all about that. And I agree, I think Mab is worried about the consequences of making Winter a little warmer. Your solution to killing Molly is dark. But it might work too. Faeries are such lawyers after all.
--- Quote from: morriswalters on January 25, 2022, 12:11:14 AM ---Mab doesn't speak in metaphors. There is no reason to believe that Mab meant other than what she said. There is nothing to suggest that once you become a Lady or a Queen that you can get out from under other than by dying.
Butcher makes the point over and over that Mab would throw Harry under the bus without hesitation if it needed to happen. Just on that basis Molly isn't fit. Could she kill Harry, or for that matter could she sacrifice her family if she needed to? She has too much heart for that.
I'd like to think they were destined to live together forever, but my heart says that Butcher is a sadist in practice.
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You're probably right here. I think when Mab asks for a persons death, she means it. But the idea of killing the person Molly was is an interesting notion nonetheless.
Molly has too much heart now. Give her 50 years and you might not recognize her.
Butcher is a sadist (my word that part of the sentence on it's own sounds savage enough). But he is sentimental too. The whole Harry raising little Maggie thing. Michael's family going on to have a good life as a reward for their service to humanity. And so on. Who can say what he really will do in the end? I am not so sure even he knows yet.
morriswalters:
Sadist is a good description of what Butcher does with the character not what he is. He's always looking to torture Harry.
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