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Is Lasciel really a fallen angel?

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Conspiracy Theorist:
I suspect that the interrelationships of the Denarian’s are far more complex than we have been shown to date why else would such care be taken to hide information about them?

Namshiel appears to have thrown in his lot with Marcone, less than happy with Nick, we know that there are also a hidden faction working with the Black Council that worries Nick, Lasciel is suddenly interested in her child with Harry and willing to make an alliance but not out of obeisance to Nick, out of necessity.

Nick’s power over the Denarians is at its weakest in 2,000 years, so we may see more a mere two books after Next Book. We may find out who was the Denarian on the Black Council (I call Tessa, it will hurt Nick the most, and he had little control over her, I think Nick kept Namshiel on a very tight reign, his speech was archaic suggesting Nick put him in cold storage when he didn’t need him for big magic )

Snark Knight:

--- Quote from: Conspiracy Theorist on December 28, 2021, 09:22:28 PM ---Namshiel appears to have thrown in his lot with Marcone, less than happy with Nick, we know that there are also a hidden faction working with the Black Council that worries Nick, Lasciel is suddenly interested in her child with Harry and willing to make an alliance but not out of obeisance to Nick, out of necessity.

Nick’s power over the Denarians is at its weakest in 2,000 years, so we may see more a mere two books after Next Book. We may find out who was the Denarian on the Black Council (I call Tessa, it will hurt Nick the most, and he had little control over her, I think Nick kept Namshiel on a very tight reign, his speech was archaic suggesting Nick put him in cold storage when he didn’t need him for big magic)

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Mostly agreed. Namshiel seems to have been more aligned with Tessa than Nic, though. And his archaic speech was probably more a function of not caring enough about human affairs to keep up to date - he kept his last host tightly enslaved and mostly just focused on his magical experiments for quite a while up until Michael killed that host.

Realizing there is a Black Council mole among the Denarians and suspecting 1) it's Tessa 2) she's setting him up as her scapegoat ... that would make a real good motivation to strike out on his own. Maybe coming to more of a partnership relationship with Marcone is a product of realizing he can't afford to be the magic nerd anymore, and needs a power base independent of being part of anyone else' cabal.

Conspiracy Theorist:
But Namshiel has updated himself as apparent from Battle Ground,

Namshiel is the most powerful magic user, amongst the Denarians  more so than Tessa and much more than Cassius, the former somewhat antagonistic to Nick, the latter slavish. I wonder if the relationship related to power level? Namshiel too powerful to left to his own devices, but far to useful to not use him on occasion. Note he hadn’t previously been used on the Fake Shroud, was Nick only going to let him ‘out’ to help generate the plague, not get the Fake Shroud?

I suspect Marcone fed his inner nerd by buying books and materials and getting a no talent mortal up to wizard level as an interesting project. Nick probably never read Pratchett so didn’t know the best way to keep a nerd imprisoned is just provide them with all the materials they need and a workroom. No need for a door lock.

His time with Marcone may be the longest he has been ‘out’ in millennia

b4utoo:
After careful consideration I think this question is going nowhere. I guess it's kind of like asking if water is really wet

morriswalters:
It tickles me that people romanticize characters like Namshiel. He got stuck in a coin for a reason. Inhabiting Marcone is like hitting the lottery for a Denarian. If you want to have maximum leverage then you look for the right fulcrum. If Mab can, she will hammer him, she owes him and she pays her debts.

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