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Outer Gates and cup of coffee.

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morriswalters:

--- Quote from: b4utoo on December 16, 2021, 10:41:52 PM ---What about the huge wall

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If you want a pop psychology version the eye sees what the mind expects to see.  In the story the fighters are moving back and forth through the gates and Rashid is checking them out as they come back. They only pass back and forth through the Gates never over the wall. The Gates are the McGuffin of the book.  They can be anything the story needs them to be.

b4utoo:
That was very unsightful. Kind of regurgitate book in a different way.
So basically you just saying it's whatever we want to see it is. Try giving it a little more thought and come back

Mira:

--- Quote from: morriswalters on December 17, 2021, 12:36:48 AM ---If you want a pop psychology version the eye sees what the mind expects to see.  In the story the fighters are moving back and forth through the gates and Rashid is checking them out as they come back. They only pass back and forth through the Gates never over the wall. The Gates are the McGuffin of the book.  They can be anything the story needs them to be.

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Yes, but more to the point, while they are talked of quite a lot in the series, we only visit them one time.  The trip to them isn't an easy one, usually "young" wizards such as Harry never are brought to see them, and when he went he had to be guided by Mother Summer with concurrence from Mother Winter.  I don't think it was all an illusion,  he traveled there, he witnessed Rashid, as the Gatekeeper doing his job, he talked to him.  So it is a real place in my opinion, perhaps it started as a mere gap where "reality" which encompasses the Nevernever as well as the world of mortals for lack of a better word, and the "outside" as in outside of reality.. And since Jim apparently is a fan of the classic Trek and Gene Roddenberry, I'm thinking of an episode called "The Alternative Factor," parallel universes, one made of positive matter the other of anti-matter, anyway if the two ever met it would be the end of everything.  To keep this from happening there was a corridor that acted as a safety valve to prevent that from happening.  I won't go into the details of the story, you can look it up, but my point is perhaps like the corridor with doors at both ends in the episode, the Gates function very much the same keeping Nemesis from invading and destroying our world, both the real as we know it and the Nevernever.

BrainFireBob:

--- Quote from: b4utoo on December 16, 2021, 01:44:04 PM ---So the Outer Gates in Deep Fairy. But Fairy borders the mortal world. The never-never encompasses everything else outside Mortal World. Which includes fairy. So The Outsiders can go to the Never Never. But fairy guards The Outsiders from the mortal world. So it's looking like a round ball with fairy surrounding and then a wall then never never? But..Or...

Or is there a whole in reality in deep fairy between the never never and fairy that the wall blocks. And must have a gate for balance. That they always protect. Grab cup of coffee discuss?

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Unsourced assumptions:

1) Outside the Outer Gates remains within the Nevernever
2) The Nevernever includes everything outside reality- ie, is infinite

Proposal: There is an uttermost edge of the Nevernever, and that is referred to as The Outer Gates.

The Nevernever itself is something like the multiple universes theorem- it is all the parallel universes that could be. Call it the wave function of reality. The light cones, then, would be the Outer Gates.

This is also similar to the Chronicles of Amber, with its infinite number of Shadows between the two anchors of reality.

The real world - or in theory, real worlds- have substance and mass. Faery, with its breeding dependence, therefore has real non-ectoplasm mass- hence why you can trap the Fae in circles and they don't splort like Binder's goons- whoch one supposrs gives them metaphorical momentum against outside.

Fun thought for later: Does the war at the Gates reflect reality expanding?

Anyway, Outside is Outside. Nothing says it's in the Nevernever.

Mira:

--- Quote ---Anyway, Outside is Outside. Nothing says it's in the Nevernever.

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Exactly which fits with my theory that the germ of this idea is based on the classic Trek episode, "The Alternative Factor."

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