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Harry should have trusted Ramirez
Xamion:
--- Quote from: Mira on December 05, 2021, 04:53:25 AM ---And I repeat, the White Court are part of the Accords like the White Council, they are supposed to be allies.
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Slight nitpick here, but IIRC, pre-Battle Ground's ending, the Accords have been strictly a mutual non-aggression pact combined with a human masquerade pact. Nothing about an NAP says or implies, that the signatories are in fact actual true allies. All participants were actively spying on and covertly sabotaging each other in various ways even prior to the outright war, that had erupted between Red Court and White Council, in the story prior.
Therefore Carlos' actions, as a member of the White Council, are justified from that perspective, despite clearly showing, that he personally trusted Harry less than his WC peers and/or superiors.
Arjan:
Maybe earlier but in peace talks it was already far too late.
Snark Knight:
--- Quote from: Mira on December 04, 2021, 11:48:43 AM ---Where is she then? Did Harry leave her at the estate? He took her with him, I believe.
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I forget the details, but maybe she stayed in the car? It would have gone better if she had been part of the conversation on the road. Not having Harry's weirdly old-fashioned hangups, she probably would have been quite willing to defuse the confrontation by telling Carlos she and Harry were a couple.
Of course, Carlos knowing that would have spoiled the deception play that he and Lara were boinking while they were actually busting Thomas out of the cells.
Hard to say exactly what else Harry should have trusted Carlos with earlier, though. Maybe a bit of background info on Winter's purpose and the fact that the beastly exercise regimen is to keep the mantle tired enough that Harry retains executive control of his own actions, but much more than that is risky. Carlos has either been mentally compromised by someone (Which I don't like, it cheapens the conflict between them) or convinced by someone else he trusts who is antagonistic to Harry, probably using what Molly did to him, that he's gone monster. Whatever he shares is not going to be kept in confidence either way, so it can't be anything truly damaging.
vincentric:
She wasn't there at all.
Harry made 2 trips to Chateau Wraith in PT.
The first was alone where he talks and spars with Lara. After this, he encounters Ramirez and crew.
Murphy is with him the second trip. They ditch tails, talk to Grey and lay out the plan with Lara after Murphy and Freydis "discuss" her injuries. Carlos is nowhere near them on this trip.
Mira:
A couple of points...
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Hard to say exactly what else Harry should have trusted Carlos with earlier, though. Maybe a bit of background info on Winter's purpose and the fact that the beastly exercise regimen is to keep the mantle tired enough that Harry retains executive control of his own actions, but much more than that is risky. Carlos has either been mentally compromised by someone (Which I don't like, it cheapens the conflict between them) or convinced by someone else he trusts who is antagonistic to Harry, probably using what Molly did to him, that he's gone monster. Whatever he shares is not going to be kept in confidence either way, so it can't be anything truly damaging.
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That is point number one, it may cheapen the story, but someone has convinced Carlos that Harry is guilty of something as of the first chapter of Peace Talks, that is when he put that tracker on Harry secretly. You don't do that ethically unless you, yourself question what Harry is up to. Carlos had been down too many roads with Harry to do that to him, not question it or warn Harry.. That is a total stab in the back!
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Murphy is with him the second trip. They ditch tails, talk to Grey and lay out the plan with Lara after Murphy and Freydis "discuss" her injuries. Carlos is nowhere near them on this trip.
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But Harry and Murphy had sex before any of that went down, but after the tracker was put on him... There was no evidence previously that Harry and Lara were having trysts together before, so the point of the sex scan was to throw Harry off his game. Carlos and his fellow Wardens were treating Harry like a suspect from the get go.. As Harry said, "you are treating me like I might have done something.." When Carlos asks Harry to "talk to him," he is asking Harry to justify his actions, and then report back. Once Harry realized he was no longer part of the "we" but considered outside the White Council.. He didn't trust anyone.
--- Quote ---Therefore Carlos' actions, as a member of the White Council, are justified from that perspective, despite clearly showing, that he personally trusted Harry less than his WC peers and/or superiors.
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Yet in chapter one of Peace Talks, Carlos had no problem conducting Council business regarding security in front of Thomas, even though Thomas did offer to leave.
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