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Harry should have trusted Ramirez
g33k:
--- Quote from: Mira on January 25, 2023, 11:07:48 PM --- ... But there is that faction that has never trusted him ever since he came before them as a scared 16 year old kid with a scary amount of talent ...
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With 100% of his training being at the hands of a warlock (DuMorne).
With an Outsider involved (and one of the top-tier Outsiders, at that).
Having just killed someone (the selfsame DuMorne) which is an automatic death-sentence. Yes, we know that "self-defense" can be a viable excuse; still...
With a (not currently clear) something that he was "intended" to be/do. Was it DuMorne's bully-boy? Was it the "Starbabe Plan?" Was it a "Destroyer" (per Morgan's Journal; and whatever is a "Destroyer," anyhow?) ?
We don't know what that "something" is; but we do know that it causes tremendous worry for the Senior Council... and must have done so back when Harry was just 16.
There is plenty of very-good reason to distrust Harry.
It's mostly wrong, of course; but the reasons exist, and they are... reasonable.
Mira:
--- Quote from: g33k on January 27, 2023, 12:08:46 AM ---With 100% of his training being at the hands of a warlock (DuMorne).
With an Outsider involved (and one of the top-tier Outsiders, at that).
Having just killed someone (the selfsame DuMorne) which is an automatic death-sentence. Yes, we know that "self-defense" can be a viable excuse; still...
With a (not currently clear) something that he was "intended" to be/do. Was it DuMorne's bully-boy? Was it the "Starbabe Plan?" Was it a "Destroyer" (per Morgan's Journal; and whatever is a "Destroyer," anyhow?) ?
We don't know what that "something" is; but we do know that it causes tremendous worry for the Senior Council... and must have done so back when Harry was just 16.
There is plenty of very-good reason to distrust Harry.
It's mostly wrong, of course; but the reasons exist, and they are... reasonable.
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Agreed on all of that, and that faction will never trust Harry for all of the above reasons no matter what he did to try and win it.. However as I have pointed out, very good reasons for Harry not to trust the Council. The proof that he was right is how they booted him out of the Council when his supporters were not there on trumped up charges..
g33k:
--- Quote from: forumghost on January 26, 2023, 07:41:33 PM --- ... Michael has one of the weaknesses that all KOTC have- he has to give people the benefit of the doubt, even when they don't deserve it (it's why Murphy didn't make the grade) so him vouching for Harry is a mixed bag, assuming the Council even bothered to notice him, which I doubt ...
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He has to, personally, in the things he does. But if asked, he does not have to vouch for someone, doesn't have to ask others to extend the chances he extends.
The Archive -- rather cleverly -- looks to Michael for testimony as to Harry's character, when he seems implicated in the attack on her. The White Council could have done similarly.
I suspect that, once Harry had saved his daughter, the WC would deem Michael's testimony "untrustworthy."
g33k:
--- Quote from: forumghost on January 26, 2023, 07:41:33 PM --- ... No, Langtry tells Harry to sit out of it, forget about the random kidnapped girl (nobody knew it was his daughter) and not fuck up the Council's plan to wipe out the Red Court. The fact that Harry went and wiped out the Red's all by himself anyway probably just made them nervous ...
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--- Quote from: Mira on January 26, 2023, 10:34:09 PM --- ... Think about it, the White Council's army is depleted, so what counter attack could they use? If the Merlin had a handy dandy spell to wipe out the Red Court root and branch, he would have loosed it by now. So what is about the only way to completely wipe out the Red Court, roots and all, burn the roots and the seed, then salt the earth they fall upon? Why your handy dandy generational spell of course.. What is worth risking the sacrifice of a little girl's life? I bet the Merlin knows all about the connection between little Maggie, Harry, to Eb his Blackstaff, he also knows if anyone is capable of reversing and pulling off the reversal of the generational spell it is Harry, so he will gamble with their lives against wiping out the Red Court for good.. One little catch, the Merlin of the White Court cannot be seen to have ordered genocide. So he doesn't, he tosses Harry into the Brier Patch to figure it out, knowing that he will, and that he will move heaven and earth to save his child, and the only way to do that is reversing the generational spell...That's why he is the Merlin, very clever, if Harry fails, well he is out a star born and a Blackstaff, but the gamble is worth it ...
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Yeah, Harry is almost childishly predictable in his opposition to authority.
(I strongly suspect, BTW, that Harry is going to be shocked when he discovers that Arthur Langtry is one of the Grey Council, and fought at Chichen Itza ... :o ;D )
--- Quote --- Merlin: "Harry, stay out of this."
Harry: <eyeroll>"Whatever, dude." <promptly ignores the Merlin>
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I don't think the Merlin even needs to know about the Maggie/Harry connection, he just needs to know that Harry does the "protect at all costs" thing about children.
Ed0517:
--- Quote from: Mira on January 26, 2023, 12:10:46 PM ---.
You also bring up Morgan, what happened to Morgan is reason enough for Harry to be less than trusting, especially in the face of the warning vibs that Chandler was sending him. Morgan next to Luccio was one of the most trusted Wardens of the Council, he was their chief executioner. Yet he also fled the Council, not just because he looked guilty, but because he knew they had no interest in any proof of his innocence. In fact though Harry proved Peabody was behind the murder, and who knows how much more damage he did to the Council with his ink, yet the Council, i.e. the Merlin still felt that it was necessary for Morgan to be found responsible for the murder for political reasons. So we saw at the end of Battle Ground, for political reasons the Council trumps up charges that Harry killed "humans" with magic in battle. Though these "humans" were altered by the Fomor and no longer human, thus exspelled him from the Council and put him in effect under a death sentence. Was the angry Carlos acting like a friend when he gave that message to Harry? Did he acknowledge at all that Harry had a huge part in saving all of their bacon? No, he just accused him of becoming a monster and that he should have talked to him...
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a different spin....
The Bad Guys are trying to bring down the White Council. They get their claws in Peabody and his inks. But it is not working, at least not fast enough. Peabody does use his ink effectively in one area - he infiltrates the Wardens. To watch the wardens, the Bad Guys assign Harry. Peabody gets the Captain of the Wardens and gives her to Harry. This gives Harry insight and info into the wardens.
Plan not moving well enough, they have Luccio and her former apprentice go whack LaFortier. This will open a spot for their man Christos. Morgan gets the more-important-to-the-WC-hierarchy Luccio out, and runs to his ally Dresden to hide him. The Bad guys say Peabody isn't getting it done, and is a complication - what if someone detects the ink? They tell Harry to reveal him. Peabody runs, the WC dispatches Harry to get him. Harry knows he will have backup coming. Peabody can't be taken alive, he knows too much. Morgan runs too, seeing a chance to escape with his cronies. Morgan knows Peabody's cover is blown. He's a liability. Peabody can give Morgan up. Morgan takes him out. Morgan succumbs to his wounds. Harry cuts himself with the dagger, knowing help will be here soon, and comes up with the fight story. The traitor Peabody is dead. Morgan, the only one known to be with LaF at the killing, also is dead. Morgan and Peabody can't give him away. Loose ends tied up. They even send Christos to the battle of Chicago, in case Harry falls, to ensure the superweapons are recovered.
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