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Death Foreshadowing
Mira:
--- Quote from: Conspiracy Theorist on November 21, 2021, 05:13:11 PM ---The average Denarian isn’t immortal, enough physical damage will kill them, Nick has the backup of the Noose to prevent. Quite a few drowned when the Shed Aquarium broke. Immortals can only be killed on Halloween, or at a special place designed in accordance with any Mantle. Otherwise you risk breaking reality (Reality is weaker at Halloween, so I have changed my mind somewhat as to whether the Eye could have killed an immortal, the answeris yes, but it will also kill the universe.
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Nic's wife doesn't have a noose, and she is as old as Nic. The Elves of The Lord of the Rings, were essentially immortal, however they still could be killed in battle or by other means. I think the same goes for Denarians, unless killed by a Holy Sword or some other means, they are immortal. As long as they hold a coin they do not age nor do they sicken.
Conspiracy Theorist:
You are confusing not aging with immortality, and they are separate things. Many of the Fae don’t age, but only a small number are immortal. Thus Harry kills various Gruff’s, but I suspect only the Eldest was immortal.
The Coins stop aging and repair a degree of physical damage but you can kill a Denarian, just using pure mundane physical force, you cannot do so with the Winter Lady, you might at best disperse her forcing to take time to reintegrate unless you do so at Halloween or at the Stone Table, a designed killing place. The Eye perhaps because it weakens reality might kill an immortal, but by that time that is the least of your worries. Yourreality may have completely turned in Gazpacho Soup at that point.
Mira:
--- Quote ---You are confusing not aging with immortality, and they are separate things.
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No, I am not, though do not underestimate the importance of the not aging part. There is a famous
Greek myth about a goddess who fell in love with a handsome young mortal man. She applied to Zeus to make this man immortal so they could be together always. He granted her wish, except she left out the part about not aging. The man grew older, and older, and older, not dying but shriveling and drying up, where upon the goddess turned him into a grasshopper.. Immorality does one no good unless one doesn't age.
And yes, the coins can stop aging, Nic looks pretty good for a two thousand year old man. The first thing Cassius lamented about after he gave up his coin and became an ordinary man again, was his body began to age to his "true" age.
morriswalters:
Just before Mab gives the order to Kill Molly she says that she is immortal but not eternal.
--- Quote from: Con on November 21, 2021, 03:08:04 AM ---So am rereading Proven Guity and there's a Lash quote thats always bothered me.
So what do you think Dresdens new understanding would be now that he's died or atleast 'ceased living' for awhile?
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The quote the quote shows that Jim took philosophy at some point in his education. You see the world in the way that you evolved to see it, not in the way it is. You're a brain in a vat and you filter the universe into something you can use. Harry for a moment got to see the world through another filter. When he died he peeled back one layer of the onion and saw a different way to experience the universe. As a spirit.
Mira:
--- Quote from: morriswalters on November 21, 2021, 09:08:38 PM ---Just before Mab gives the order to Kill Molly she says that she is immortal but not eternal.The quote the quote shows that Jim took philosophy at some point in his education. You see the world in the way that you evolved to see it, not in the way it is. You're a brain in a vat and you filter the universe into something you can use. Harry for a moment got to see the world through another filter. When he died he peeled back one layer of the onion and saw a different way to experience the universe. As a spirit.
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Yes, but seeing the world as a spirit didn't alter time, love, or truth. You'd think time would have been altered, but it wasn't really, there was a beginning and an end to his "time" as a spirit. And since he really wasn't dead,dead, that experience was an illusion, don't think that was what Lasciel was getting at.
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