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Why didn’t Molly go to Eb or Listens to Wind as Harry suggested?
Mira:
At the end of Changes, Molly was physically hurt, but still "clean" as far as the Council goes. Remember at the end of Turn Coat,Morgan says he said nothing about her backsliding to the Council. Would Luccio even be believed if she did decide to finger Molly because of all the psychological damage done to her by Peabody's ink. So yeah, she could have gone to Eb or Listens,especially if she had Michael by her side when she did it. You could make a whole pig out of all the bacon he has saved for the Council during the war with the Red Court and beyond. Also she could have refused Harry's request to assist him in the first place. Everyone seems to want to treat Molly like she was some victim. She was not, as of Changes she was over eighteen, so technically an adult, and even as a young kid she has always rebelled and had a mind of her own. It was thirteen year old Molly who suggested to Harry as she slipped out of her Catholic School uniform to "tie Susan up first" so he could have sex with her without being eaten in Death Masks. Molly was never some weak willed innocent, actually she is very much a chip off of her mother's block. Both have talent, both rebelled early and got themselves into trouble, both were saved by a shinning knight.. But there it ends because while Charity took the hint when a Holy Knight saved her and let her talent fade, Molly's knight was a wizard. So why didn't Molly go to Eb or Listens? Because she had her own ideas and because when it was time for a wizard to step up to take the Doom with her, the only one willing was Harry, and he was dead as far as she knew. She was also there at the end of Turn Coat, she knows what happened to Morgan, that he was innocent yet the Council wanted him convicted for political reasons.. So that was incentive enough for her not to trust anyone on the Council. Where was Carlos when all of this went down? He told Harry later I think that he chose to look the other way when she was the Rag Lady, but at the same time he could have stepped forward and offered to take the Doom with her. He didn't, now she is some kind of monster as far as he is concerned.
Ghost Story about the coming home to roost? Perhaps, easy for us to moralize while reading it. I think one can argue that it was wrong for Harry to drag Molly into it so he could get out of becoming Mab's monster. However when Harry was in the process of "throwing Molly under the bus" as you say, his vision for his future was distorted and he wasn't playing with a full mental deck. In that moment he couldn't see beyond the four walls of Forthill's office, but then neither could Molly. Harry's huge mistake here happened before that moment, his mistake in my opinion was not giving her the moral foundational training that Eb had given him. That moral foundation about magic, Molly never got it, from the time she screwed with the minds of her friends to the blocking of Harry's memory to assist his suicide, she always felt she could justify it if she felt it was the right thing to do. That is what made her a warlock, there was no rehabbing her from that view point. Her actions with her friends did great harm, but she thought she was helping them, did she ever repent that viewpoint? I don't remember her ever doing that.. She was told not to put her fingers on the hot stove least she get burnt, but she continued anyway and no one forced her.
SerScot:
--- Quote from: Arjan on November 03, 2021, 06:05:04 AM ---Even worse. Going to Eb or Listen to Wind was never a suggestion to be taken seriously. Even trying to find them was too dangerous. It is not that she could just visit Edinburgh or knew where they lived.
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Morgan showed her how to open ways in TC. She knew where the way to Edinburgh opened in Chicago. She traveled it in TC and Changes.
--- Quote ---Harry also did not contact them to ask what was possible in case he died.
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That’s true.
--- Quote ---The whole suggestion was much like what Nicodemus said to his daughter before he killed her. It was empty words to make Molly and Harry go through with it.
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Ouch.
Mira:
--- Quote ---Morgan showed her how to open ways in TC. She knew where the way to Edinburgh opened in Chicago. She traveled it in TC and Changes.
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Yes, she did, but she also witnessed Council justice before, both her own near miss and what happened to Morgan. I doubt she felt she'd find any sympathy there for her plight. Now if Carlos
had been able to talk with her and went to Edinburgh with her, or offered to be her new mentor or supervisor and put himself under the Doom with her, she might have had a chance. He didn't, though he found her physically attractive, did he ever look beyond that? Maybe Molly knew that too, and it was for this reason that her mantle reacted so violently to his attempted love making?
--- Quote ---That’s true.
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It's true that he didn't, but his mental state wasn't the best and he couldn't see beyond himself and little Maggie. And after Maggie was saved and he had the chance to talk to Eb about Molly, his mind was already blocked so he had no idea of what was coming next.
Oh, and one more thought, even though Eb didn't know of Harry's looming suicide, he did know he was now Mab's Winter Knight.. Remember his advice to Harry about how Mab can't totally force him to do things against his will, or something like that, it meshes with Uriel's seven words. Anyway, what I am getting at is knowing that, Eb never asked Harry about what happens to Molly now? Nor did Harry ask Eb to look after her once he'd been shipped off to Arctus Tor.
Arjan:
--- Quote from: SerScot on November 03, 2021, 12:39:23 PM ---Morgan showed her how to open ways in TC. She knew where the way to Edinburgh opened in Chicago. She traveled it in TC and Changes.
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That would mean walking into Edinburgh blindly. The Merlin would love that and execute her on the spot. Technically she was a warlock on the run and after Harry was dead no formalities were needed, the suspension of her dead sentence was over.
Just walking into Edinburgh was out of question.
Mira:
--- Quote from: Arjan on November 03, 2021, 02:04:39 PM ---That would mean walking into Edinburgh blindly. The Merlin would love that and execute on the spot. Technically she was a warlock on the run and after Harry was dead no formalities were needed, the suspension of her dead sentence was over.
Just walking into Edinburgh was out of question.
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Why would she be, if it wasn't her doing that he was dead. All she needed was another wizard to step forward to take up her apprenticeship. None did. Instead of looking the other way as things got worse for her, if Carlos had captured her, soul gazed her and then offered to take Harry's place.
Truth is no one gave a damn about the fate of Molly, only Mab for very selfish reasons.
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