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Mab chose Molly

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The_Sibelis:

--- Quote from: LostInTime on October 14, 2021, 11:23:32 PM ---I'll break it down for you, Barney-style.
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The fae lady mantles are supposed to go to the closest reflection of their court.

Lily was an undeclared changeling. Her mother was a Nixie, making her a mortal, technically. But Nixies are members of the Winter court. FLAW.
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Like what, the same force in opposite directions? No where was it proclaimed winter will be winter and summer will be summer. This aligns perfectly with wild fae chosing base entirely on how they behaved

--- Quote ---Lily said that no mortal has ever been given a fae queen mantle.

Mab confided in Harry that she was once mortal. FLAW. It's a double FLAW, since Mab and Titania are twin sisters per WOJ. Whoops! It's a quadruple FLAW, since Maeve and Sarissa were Mab's twin daughters by an Austrian composer in the 19th century, and Maeve was already the Winter Lady.

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lily said this... Lily. The lady actively being lied to by a compromised winter lady and largely ignored by Titania. She was wrong. Period. Obviously... There's even a Woj stating lily was delusional in her thinking FYI

--- Quote ---WOJ is that a person possessing a fae mantle can't acquire another one, since they would be 'full'. https://wordof.jim-butcher.com/index.php/word-of-jim-woj-compilation/woj-on-the-fae/ On this page, all the way at the bottom.
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already makes the addendum that the cup COULD be open. Changeling, potential immortal, not at all capped off on capacity.

--- Quote ---Lily was the Summer Knight and acquired the Summer Lady mantle. FLAW.

In Summer Knight, Aurora just dies. Harry doesn't even find out until days later that Lily is now the Summer lady and Fix took up the Summer Knight.

In Cold Days there's a big dramatic sequence where the mantle coalesces into a big green bird-like figure and leaps from Lily's prostrate form into Sarissa. The same thing happens between Maeve and Molly, only the bird is blue. FLAW.
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difference between NN area, where spirit IS body and reality where spirit bonds to body. The assumption is applying the same rules to both places, especially when one of those places was made specifically to kill immortals. And not just potentially kill, but unmake and redue the entire balance there.

--- Quote ---These are contradictions. We are being told one thing and being shown another. Until an errata sheet is published, there's no clarity. And, FWIW, Jim has said out front, that he WILL lie to us. Until and unless it's shown and explained in the books, it's not written in stone. And even then, comic book rules apply. Harry is a rule-breaker. See also: Law of Magic 1 and 5.

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that's the only lie he's ever told, and why am I listening to these wojs from someone who doesn't believe them? Contradictory.
Now let me explain how theory works. Someone comes up with a supposition, they look at examples and tests to come up with a theory based on what they find. It then becomes an acceptable theory. Someone disagrees, they then have to prove that theory false by showing there own theory with valid data in reply, otherwise the theory still stands.
Now, Loyd raped lily but she still qualifies for the lady position. Molly also qualifies because she's never actually had intercourse. I supposite that rape doesn't count as losing ones virginity because no choice was made, nothing was given. A BIG thing to the fae specifically, intentional exchange, debt, ect. Rape is a violation, a violent act of taking something by force. The fae can't do this, ergo they don't recognize this as a valid exchange of anything. Now, prove me wrong.

*These "flaws" people keep seeing, are where your supposed to look and figure out the answer( Woj he literally puts all the answers in the books but just leaves out the key bridging detail your supposed to figure out for yourself), seeing a problem and giving it the label of a problem is not looking for a solution. It will never find anything, it isn't a means to an end and I find it indicative of a lazy mindset.

TrueMonk:
To me Mabs command that Harry should kill Molly if she does in battleground implies that mother winter would have some control over where the mantles went. It seems like an extremely risky option to have both the queen and lady mantle go to someone random. And I do not think that Mab could be reasonable certain who would be nearby when (if) Harry killed Molly.

In general it just seems like a very risky mechanic to have it entirely random. Although I guess that mother winter could always place her desired mother next to the current undesired mother and kill the undesired one.

Mira:

  Or more simply, Jim is human, at those events he has to keep a lot at the top of his head.  The Files is a long series, he written a lot of books aside from those.  Everyone makes mistakes, even Jim, or he may give an answer but when he actually writes the next novel what he said didn't quite fit as he thought it would in the over all book or series, as the author/god of this series, he has the option of changing his mind.. ;)

morriswalters:
It really doesn't matter. If Molly is worse for the situation then the chaos of losing two Queens then enter chaos.  Sometimes there aren't any good choices. In that sense this has nothing to do with how the Mantle moves.

In Summer Knight both Courts are on the field en masse, including the Queens. Harry is only semi conscious when the transfer happens, so we don't know how it was handled.  It was the introduction of the colors. Lilly is portrayed as not the brightest crayon in the box, making her an unreliable narrator.

Mira:

--- Quote from: morriswalters on October 15, 2021, 04:50:33 PM ---It really doesn't matter. If Molly is worse for the situation then the chaos of losing two Queens then enter chaos.  Sometimes there aren't any good choices. In that sense this has nothing to do with how the Mantle moves.

In Summer Knight both Courts are on the field en masse, including the Queens. Harry is only semi conscious when the transfer happens, so we don't know how it was handled.  It was the introduction of the colors. Lilly is portrayed as not the brightest crayon in the box, making her an unreliable narrator.

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And supposedly Mab had been grooming Maeve to be Lady from birth practically, look how that turned out.  In that case preparation and suitability weren't everything.

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