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Conspiracy Theorist:
It is fairly clear that Mantles were made from the power of other entities including small ‘g’ gods, the beings upon whom the Mantles were bestowed existed before this, BUT it is doubtful these beings had full Intellectus, or multiversal manifestation because otherwise, why bother?

In other universes, yes these beings never pooled their power to create the Mantles and they may be more like Mab able to perceive and communicate with their variants in other universes, but not a single being manifesting in multiple universes.

The Mantles may also have been designed to prevent beings adopting Mantles being changed by perceptions of them by humanity, freezing their function and purpose. The Mothers are probably immune to this stuck in the Never Never away from human scrutiny, but not probably the Queens or Ladies more in the real world, the Mantles protect them from this.

Look at the Kringle Mantle, the Mantle protects Kringle from becoming the Coca Cola Santa, who frankly wouldn’t lead the Wild Hunt.

morriswalters:
You don't need to worry about the branches the world isn't in. If you assume that the universe is the White Gods toy then it makes sense that he has intellectus with his toy.  Since he made it. But no matter where the outsiders might break in, all they need do is traverse the tree downwards to the root. The branches become fewer going back until you are left with nothing but the trunk. The Outer Gates would be at the one point where the Outsider space and the Universe touch.  And this is the Place the Queens defend.

Conspiracy Theorist:
Most likely one of the places defended by various defenders, we cannot presume this is the only such engagement in the multiverse, only the one putting this part of the multiverse at risk of sterilisation by the White God in the event of defeat becoming likely.

We have to presume Uriel is like one of those Chess Grandmasters, taking on 100 players in different matches simultaneously and Harry is a White Knight in only one of those games, but the one where defeat is most likely to be soonest unless there is a bit of nifty gameplay.

The_Sibelis:

--- Quote ---The Mothers would certainly exist in all the universes where the Mantles exist, but the Courts and the Mantles are at most a couple of thousand years old, so this would only be a percentage of the Multiverse. Thus whilst there may be one of them, they are the Mothers over that percentage.
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uhh... The mother's existed pre mantle's, just not in their current identity, identity shaped by belief. MW is likely a beginning of time pillar, as would be the original MS. Creation and destruction are kinda key to reality. They exist, and they always exist in basically every reality. Now, in that reality next door, where Hinduism blew up. They more closely resemble Shiva and Vishnu. But that's a change of beliefs, not if beings.
There are no timelines where they don't exist, because they are part of the metaphysics that create reality, only their manifestation and degree of connectedness to reality changes.

morriswalters:
Talking purely speculatively, why can't it be just one? If there are an infinite number then the game might be over over before it begins. The more gates the more likely that one will fall.  The math is fairly simple. So create one place and populate it with an appropriate cast of characters and the go.  In that scenario all the Mothers have to keep up with is the Human branches. Since all the fey come from human stock there you go.  I suspect angels guarded the border before Humans.  Just saying.

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