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Mother Winter Blackstaff Back

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Conspiracy Theorist:
The ‘pull in’ is about the amount the Mothers can manifest in the real world without reality breaking, but would not restrict Mother Winter retrieving the Blackstaff if she had a choice in the matter.

One thing which is WOJ is that there is only one Uriel and he exists simultaneously across the multiverse. Perhaps this is to prevent his presence breaking any one reality? His metaphysical weight is evenly distributed across the multiverse rather concentrated in one place, so can extrude in a real world of a universe because it is only a small part of him.

This would suggest that the Mothers are discrete to their universe, consistent with the Mantles being created relatively late in history, say the last few thousand years. On that basis there will be whole swathes of the multiverse where Winter and the Mothers do not exist, they are not therefore evenly distributed across the multiverse.Uriel created by the White God at the start of creation would be.

It’s space time and the rubber sheet and bowling ball all over again, but it’s metaphysical.

Ed0517:
I think the Mothers may have interdimensional counterparts - they are likely usually the Queens moved to semiretirement - and we know Mab was once mortal. So the Queens likely were too, so each dimension can have varying queens, as they came from different mortals.  Heck, maybe some dimensions have kings....  Uriel started out an Archangel.

The_Sibelis:

--- Quote from: Ed0517 on October 10, 2021, 06:10:15 AM ---I think the Mothers may have interdimensional counterparts - they are likely usually the Queens moved to semiretirement - and we know Mab was once mortal. So the Queens likely were too, so each dimension can have varying queens, as they came from different mortals.  Heck, maybe some dimensions have kings....  Uriel started out an Archangel.

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archangels and the mother's, per Woj, have only one distinct being that exists simultaneously in every timeline.

Conspiracy Theorist:
The Mothers would certainly exist in all the universes where the Mantles exist, but the Courts and the Mantles are at most a couple of thousand years old, so this would only be a percentage of the Multiverse. Thus whilst there may be one of them, they are the Mothers over that percentage. Where the Fae and the Courts do not exist they have no reason to be, and there may be other beings occupying a similar position over a other local groups of universes. Conversely if their local group of universes succeeds in defeating the Outsiders it allows further branching of these universes and an expansion of their being. They are very pro Harry succeeding, even if they have a back up champion on another timeline where they exist because it means they start the next cycle at a much higher percentage of universes where they exist, more opportunity for branching of their universes, and their own personal growth.

Uriel has been described as being able to snuff out galaxies, his power runs through the multiverse, throughout each universe, including timelines where the solar system or Earth never coalesced, life never existed on Earth, humanity never evolved etc but life evolved on other worlds giving rise to alien champions totally apart from Earth all being watched and shepherded by Uriel and the other Archangels in the battle against the Outsiders. Earth is this local group ofuniverses battleground.

The White God and the Archangels are spread all over Creation from, well it’s creation. The Mothers would only exist over their little part of creation.

The_Sibelis:
That's very assumptive of them NOT existing before giving the mantles, which is not the case. How the mother's appear is directly effected by the courts they have made/aligned themselves with, in other offshoots of reality where they broke off different pieces instead they still exist as their 'True' identity. Only how we perceive them changes. Indeed, I think that's something all multiversal beings share, and not just the outsiders that we know for sure of.

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