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Harry actually should be out of the White Council
Mira:
--- Quote from: vincentric on September 21, 2021, 03:18:56 PM ---What the average White Council wizard knows of Dresden is much, much, much less than we the readers know. We know that Harry was justified in all those things but that is not common knowledge. Only a select few(likely only Rashid, Langtry, Ebeneezer, Listens-to-the-Wind and maybe Luccio) know most of the details of these incidents and they are divided between Harry's allies and antagonists. And since telling Harry's side of the story would reveal too many secrets, both political and world security related, the common wizard is operating off rumors and hearsay and will tend to follow Langtry(who is hostilely disposed to Harry). Holding the expulsion vote while Harry's top Senior Council advocates were hospitalized just sealed the deal.
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But that is the point isn't it? It is about the politics, I actually don't think it would have made any difference whether Harry's allies were present or not.. Kangaroo Court comes to mind, with Langtry in the part of Judge Roy Bean the hanging judge.. Carlos has been totally brain washed, demanding that Harry "talk to him," but how can Harry talk when he doesn't know what the question is? No, he may get some answers from Listens to Wind, Rashid is too removed these days because he has his hands full at the Gates, and Eb is too emotionally involved to be rational. Instead of just demanding that Harry go back to headquarters at the beginning of Peace Talks to schmooze in an effort to save his place, if he had just explained some of it. Yeah, lots of it is the same old, same old, but why suddenly did it become a problem and who was behind the push? No, I think the big hope is the hook up with Chandler.
morriswalters:
I wouldn't want him in my playground given a choice.
Jim has said before that the Council sees Harry differently then Harry might see himself. And Merlin has tried this strategy twice, first in Summer Knight and then again in Proven Guilty. Luccio warned him that he was feared by the Council at large when she made him take the cloak. So Harry shouldn't be surprised.
Harry has a lot of secrets. And he acknowledges as much in Peace Talks when confronted by Carlos.
--- Quote ---Fear is a prison. But when you combine it with secrets, it becomes especially toxic, vicious. It puts us all into solitary, unable to hear one another clearly.
Butcher, Jim. Peace Talks (Dresden Files) (p. 146). Penguin Publishing Group. Kindle Edition.
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Mira:
--- Quote from: morriswalters on September 21, 2021, 04:54:08 PM ---I wouldn't want him in my playground given a choice.
Jim has said before that the Council sees Harry differently then Harry might see himself. And Merlin has tried this strategy twice, first in Summer Knight and then again in Proven Guilty. Luccio warned him that he was feared by the Council at large when she made him take the cloak. So Harry shouldn't be surprised.
Harry has a lot of secrets. And he acknowledges as much in Peace Talks when confronted by Carlos.
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Yes, but at the risk of repeating myself... ::) Well, I'll repeat myself, to talk to Carlos, Harry needed to be asked the right questions by Carlos, any question, just a fricking question, "why did you x,y, or z?" :o Just "talk to me," doesn't solve anything, it sends the message, "we assume you are guilty, so can you justify it?" :'( I mean, Harry could answer why he prefers hearts instead of smiley faces on his under shorts and did the Council have a problem with that and why? Answer, "Guilty, because the question was about starch." You get the picture. Harry was headed for a kangaroo court, and knew it, and all Carlos, a.k.a "talk to me," was fishing for was a strand of rope for Harry to incriminate himself with.. That is what Chandler was hinting at with his wink and nod, these guys are not your friends..
Second Aristh:
--- Quote from: Griffyn612 on September 21, 2021, 05:30:58 AM ---You have to remember that to the average Joe Wizard, Harry Dresden is a nightmare.
Indisputable Facts
* Harry is the son of an expelled wizard that had a death sentence with the Council and was known to hang out with monsters.
* Harry was adopted by a Warden in good standing with the Council, a war hero no less that helped bring down Kemmler, but Harry killed him with magic in unknown circumstances.
* Harry openly flaunted tradition by practicing openly.
* Harry started a war that could have been avoided, which got a lot of wizards killed.
* Harry committed genocide against a supernatural nation that was actively pursuing peace.
* Harry abandoned his duties after committing genocide, leaving his Council-sworn duty of protecting Chicago to a rogue apprentice wanted for murder.
* Harry became the Winter Knight, the murderous assassin for the evil Sidhe Court.
* Harry is a close associate and suspected lover of White Court royalty.
* Harry performed necromantic magic and was not punished.
* Harry killed with magic and was not punished.
* Harry's apprentice performed mind magic and was not punished.
* Harry worked with Nicodemus Archleon.
* Harry worked with Mab numerous times before becoming her assassin.
* Harry killed a Summer Lady.
* Harry was involved in the deaths of the WinterLady and another Summer Lady.
It's no wonder he lost the popular vote, and you don't even have to bring speculation into it.
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Harry is also the Warden of Demonreach, like Kemmler was before him (a few places back, I think).
Harry is also a starborn, whatever that actually means. We do know that Drakul is in that small club.
It also doesn't help that Harry didn't show his face around Edinburgh much. There wasn't a human being to balance out the terrifying reputation.
morriswalters:
The answer doesn't matter nor does the question, if there is no trust between the speakers. Jim has established this multiple times. Because Butters had lost faith in Harry during Skin Game he lost trust and no answer that Harry gave him could change that.
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