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Who do you think the Vampires took from Eb?
groinkick:
--- Quote from: Second Aristh on August 29, 2021, 02:33:12 AM ---Simon Pietrovich is also a candidate for another person that Eb lost. It meant enough to him that "Remember Archangel" was his battle cry in Changes.
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He would have killed Harry by accident (fake Harry in their duel) because he was so angry over it. I don't think anything explains his rage besides someone he loved deeply being taken from him. Someone more than a friend.
groinkick:
Eb's exact words
"See? you know why. I hate them because I know them. Because they took someone from me."
"Mom?" I asked.
His jaw muscles tightened. "Her, too."
Ok so upon rereading this he obviously is talking about a single person (besides Maggie Sr). So not a wife and kids. I still think he lost a mother, father, brother, sister, wife, or another child before Maggie Sr. Best guess is a wife, or child.
Now "took" could have two different meanings. The first that comes to mind is they killed someone. I'm thinking it's worse though. I think they turned someone he loved. A fate worse than death.
Second Aristh:
--- Quote from: groinkick on August 29, 2021, 02:43:59 AM ---He would have killed Harry by accident (fake Harry in their duel) because he was so angry over it. I don't think anything explains his rage besides someone he loved deeply being taken from him. Someone more than a friend.
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Eb is angry about vampires in general. I don't think you can pin Eb losing control at the end of PT directly to the mystery person he's referring to after they banish the cornerhounds.
In that conversation, Harry himself fits relatively well if you are generous with your definition of "took".
--- Quote from: PT Ch.12 ---The old man sighed. When I looked back at him, his eyes were closed. His
cheeks seemed sunken. And there was a sense of desperate weariness to him
that I had never seen before. When he spoke, he didn’t open his eyes. “See?
You know why. I hate them because I know them. Because they took
someone from me.”
“Mom?” I asked.
His jaw muscles tightened. “Her, too. What you did to the Reds was a hell
of a thing, Hoss. But the part of me that knows them thinks it was only a
good beginning. God help me, some days I’m not sure I don’t agree.”
“The Red Court got the way they were by killing a human being. Every
one of them. The White Court is different. They’re born that way. And
they’re not all the same,” I said.
“Game they’ve played for a very long time, Hoss,” he said. “You’ll see it
for yourself. If you live long enough.”
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Overall, I'm reluctant to go too far into the weeds about Eb's unknown relationships based on the WoJ that Eb's wife was just a person.
--- Quote ---Do you have it planned out who Harry’s grandmother is? @6:05
Yes… Well she’s not alive any more.
Was she significant?
Well, she was a mortal. That was about it.
Editor’s note: There’s a 2011 WoJ Where Jim says if he remembers right, she died around 1810
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groinkick:
"Do you have it planned out who Harry’s grandmother is? @6:05
Yes… Well she’s not alive any more.
Was she significant?
Well, she was a mortal. That was about it."
1. Confirmed he has something planned for Harry's grandmother
2. She's either dead, or undead
3. She "was" mortal could be a play on words. I mean that means she either died or she is no longer mortal (turned for example).
Reading that makes me think even more strongly that something happened to his wife. Either she was killed, or she was turned. If there was no big deal, I think Jim would have just said something like "she past away from old age". Him having a plan for the character to me sounds like it's meaningful and she didn't just get old, and pass from natural causes.
Mira:
--- Quote from: groinkick on August 29, 2021, 02:43:59 AM ---He would have killed Harry by accident (fake Harry in their duel) because he was so angry over it. I don't think anything explains his rage besides someone he loved deeply being taken from him. Someone more than a friend.
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I agree, and Eb needs to come clean about what happened to Harry. Now we see where Harry gets his tendency to keep stuff to himself that should be shared.
Then again, if Eb truly is in the early stages of dementia, emotions can get magnified all out of proportion. That is one of the symptoms, stewing about if for a couple of hundred years without
venting doesn't help either. What speaks to the dementia angle is if Eb has really been that angry about it over the years, one wonders how he could have dinner with Margaret, Lord Raith, and Arrianna? Just to see his daughter? Maybe, but one cannot hide that kind of animosity. I suspect before he married Lara, Eb will tell Harry where the root of his hate comes from. Harry may have make a choice, Lara and his pledge to Mab, or his grandfather..
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