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I can see why some of the gods would be in pro wrestling
Avernite:
--- Quote from: toodeep on September 09, 2021, 05:46:56 PM ---I think, as we saw with Harry's discussion with Hades, that Butcher considers a lot of the Greek Pantheon... immature. I mean look at all the stuff Zeus did. He might have been powerful at one time, but he sure wasn't full of foresight like Odin. We might be seeing what happens when a God doesn't play their cards as well as Odin. On the other hand, they aren't asleep like a lot of the old gods, and seem to be able to be fully active in the physical world without "breaking it" like the dragons and the like need to worry about, so maybe they've accepted the downgrade in power for a reason - to still be able to effect the physical world. But if they were doing that for much of a good reason you would think they would be signatories of the accords and present to help out in Chicago, so who knows. Also, we know some members of the Pantheon (Hecate-Mab) wear different mantles, so we might be seeing some interesting plays there as well. Finally, I want to see Athena. She should have played her cards right, and she at least started as a divine level spirit of intellect. Love to see how that worked out, and how Zues and Harry talk about the process....
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You mean a goddess of reason and strategic warfare, who had the occasional spike of human emotion, and a virginal aspect?
If Athena wasn't part of making the Faerie Queens (in her case, the Winter side) I don't know who was ;)
Second Aristh:
--- Quote from: Avernite on September 09, 2021, 08:37:18 PM ---You mean a goddess of reason and strategic warfare, who had the occasional spike of human emotion, and a virginal aspect?
If Athena wasn't part of making the Faerie Queens (in her case, the Winter side) I don't know who was ;)
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I am of the opinion that several members of the Greek pantheon threw in some pieces (or all) of themselves to help form the faerie courts (specifically on the Stone Table). Hecate and the Fates for sure, but also ones like Persephone and Demeter. To push this idea further, a Greek god such as Pan makes for a good Eldest Gruff analog, and things like that. (Also fun fact, Hecate is associated with dogs, a good analog for the summer/winter knight)
Athena is a tricky one because Mab fits the bill for her best, but she's definitely not got the virginal aspect (that's the Ladies). The fact that the Archive exists makes me second guess on her as well.
toodeep:
--- Quote from: Second Aristh on September 09, 2021, 10:01:24 PM ---I am of the opinion that several members of the Greek pantheon threw in some pieces (or all) of themselves to help form the faerie courts (specifically on the Stone Table). Hecate and the Fates for sure, but also ones like Persephone and Demeter. To push this idea further, a Greek god such as Pan makes for a good Eldest Gruff analog, and things like that. (Also fun fact, Hecate is associated with dogs, a good analog for the summer/winter knight)
Athena is a tricky one because Mab fits the bill for her best, but she's definitely not got the virginal aspect (that's the Ladies). The fact that the Archive exists makes me second guess on her as well.
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I think the comparison of Zeus birthing Athena and Dresden birthing Bonea is too much for Jim to leave out as an item. I anticipate that means we'll be meeting Athena, but I could be wrong. It would be interesting to see what other facets she has. We already know the courts are at least somehow affiliated with Hecate, but it would be interesting to see if there is another combo. I also think we might start to get a look at how the mothers might tie in as well as fates/norns (since we already sort of know that), or possibly more.
It's an interesting idea of what happens if a God is killed on the table. I hadn't though about how that might be done, since that should be able to dismantle a mantle, so to speak. I wonder if it "purifies" the energy source in any way? Part of the problem with doing anything with the power in demonreach is that it is essentially innately evil. I wonder if you could get a being out of Demonreach and onto the Table and sacrificed fast enough, if the table could cleanse it down to pure (untainted) power...
Second Aristh:
--- Quote from: toodeep on September 09, 2021, 10:09:37 PM ---I think the comparison of Zeus birthing Athena and Dresden birthing Bonea is too much for Jim to leave out as an item. I anticipate that means we'll be meeting Athena, but I could be wrong. It would be interesting to see what other facets she has. We already know the courts are at least somehow affiliated with Hecate, but it would be interesting to see if there is another combo. I also think we might start to get a look at how the mothers might tie in as well as fates/norns (since we already sort of know that), or possibly more.
It's an interesting idea of what happens if a God is killed on the table. I hadn't though about how that might be done, since that should be able to dismantle a mantle, so to speak. I wonder if it "purifies" the energy source in any way? Part of the problem with doing anything with the power in demonreach is that it is essentially innately evil. I wonder if you could get a being out of Demonreach and onto the Table and sacrificed fast enough, if the table could cleanse it down to pure (untainted) power...
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Possibly with Athena. It might also be a footnote with a Zeus conversation.
My internal framework for the Stone Table is that it takes mantles and allows them to be split/combined however needed before they're distributed again. So, knife the Fates on the table then knife Hecate and send the proper pieces of them all to the six queens. Repeat for Demeter and Persephone. Throw in the Morrigan, et cetra. Do it enough, and you've got the six queens emerging as the top dogs. (To be clear, probably not every fae gained from this; a theoretical Eldest Gruff may have gotten the Pan mantle the old fashioned way like Odin got Kringle)
--- Quote ---5. cowl with darkhallow – really? just a bunch of spirits…
If he’d succeeded, he’d have had the collective power of all of those supernatural beings and then some. He’d have been clearly stronger than the Ladies, and a full-on equal to Mab. I mean, why do you think the Erlking was summoned as part of that ritual? Because that’s how the big E got so boss in the first place. :)
For that matter, how do you think the Mothers and Queens and Ladies established their original base of power? That big old sacrificial, power-sucking stone table in Tir na noth isn’t there for its primitive decorative aesthetic.
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As far as Demonreach, I'm not confident that those mantles can be "cleansed". It would be more of a "you are what you eat" for anyone that gobbled pieces of that power. After all, if Hecate was sacrificed into the six queens, they still exhibit characteristics of her.
TrueMonk:
Would winter have become more like summer if the summer knight was sacrificed on the stone table?
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