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I can see why some of the gods would be in pro wrestling

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groinkick:
This video is a perfect example of why.  I could see how in the Dresdenverse, this type of devotion could be powerful

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ByAXCjqBzLg

Yuillegan:
Fair enough although the reactions at any major event are similar - music concerts, boxing matches, UFC, various sporting codes, plenty of mega-churches (of any major religion), motivational speaker seminars (think Tony Robinson), movie premieres etc.

People love celebrities. It's pretty well known.

To be honest...I am expecting to be disappointed by this book. It's a bit too corny for me - which isn't to say I don't enjoy wrestling. But at most I'd expect only a few cameos like Hercules and Thor maybe. I'd hate to see Zeus etc. It would feel a bit cheap. And possibly a bit disrespectful depending on the religion.

The problem is that the gods of pantheons other than Christianity have been worshipped by thousands, perhaps millions before. They've had animals and humans sacrificed to them. Temples and statues built in their name. Sure they've faded into the background now. But why settle for something less?

I can see Aphrodite becoming a model or head of a fashion magazine etc. But why would she settle for wrestling? Why would Thor, would has killed hundreds of monsters? Hercules may have only defeated a score or two of monsters, but they were real challenges.

I kinda feel like Jim came up with this in his younger days and thought it was a good idea then. I'd hoped he would mature a bit and see ways to do that book in more interesting ways but it seems not sadly.

groinkick:

--- Quote from: Yuillegan on August 25, 2021, 06:45:10 AM ---Fair enough although the reactions at any major event are similar - music concerts, boxing matches, UFC, various sporting codes, plenty of mega-churches (of any major religion), motivational speaker seminars (think Tony Robinson), movie premieres etc.

People love celebrities. It's pretty well known.

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My guess is that the nature of the fan is important.  If the fan loves you for being in a boy band, the power may be different than fans who see you as a super warrior of some kind.  Kind of like with the vampires "you are what you eat".


--- Quote ---I'd hate to see Zeus etc. It would feel a bit cheap. And possibly a bit disrespectful depending on the religion.

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You mean like Angels, and TWG, and Fallen?  As Jim said, it's fiction.  Anyways I don't think Zeus will be there.  He's above it.  I think he's like Hades in the sense that he's much bigger.  The wrestlers will probably be lesser gods.


--- Quote ---The problem is that the gods of pantheons other than Christianity have been worshipped by thousands, perhaps millions before. They've had animals and humans sacrificed to them. Temples and statues built in their name. Sure they've faded into the background now. But why settle for something less?

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Because as power is expended, it needs to be refilled.  They must settle for something less because if they try to force people to worship them like before they are liable to get their butts kicked by Mab, or Odin, or others. 
 

--- Quote ---Why would Thor, would has killed hundreds of monsters?

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I think Thor is actually playing football


--- Quote ---I kinda feel like Jim came up with this in his younger days and thought it was a good idea then. I'd hoped he would mature a bit and see ways to do that book in more interesting ways but it seems not sadly.

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You have to remember that even in these mythologies (or theologies) that even Zeus was born in this universe.  They came into existence from the universe, they were never omnipotent or eternal.  Zeus had parents, and his parents had parents.

It makes sense that as they gained power, they can lose that power.  Some of them probably ascended to a higher plane, and some who really enjoyed the mortal world stayed behind to keep enjoying it.  Remember that many of these gods loved having sex with mortals, and each other.  They enjoyed food and drink.  So it's not a shock that they would live amongst people when the reigns of power were taken up by someone else (Sidhe).

Yuillegan:

--- Quote from: groinkick on August 25, 2021, 07:00:59 AM ---My guess is that the nature of the fan is important.  If the fan loves you for being in a boy band, the power may be different than fans who see you as a super warrior of some kind.  Kind of like with the vampires "you are what you eat".

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That's certainly possible. One would think though that they would pick professions closer to what they were. A war god would try being a war hero, a god of beauty would try for being a model etc.


--- Quote from: groinkick on August 25, 2021, 07:00:59 AM ---You mean like Angels, and TWG, and Fallen?  As Jim said, it's fiction.  Anyways I don't think Zeus will be there.  He's above it.  I think he's like Hades in the sense that he's much bigger.  The wrestlers will probably be lesser gods.

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Totally agree, he should write about whatever he wants. Doesn't mean he can't do it with care. He often has said he is very cautious about certain religions simply because he doesn't want to cause upset. Plenty of fiction has done justice to various religions so it's far from impossible. I am sure Jim could if he wanted to. I just don't want him to get carried away with the idea of wrestling and accidentally make an error. Indeed, I hope they will just be a few minor gods. Major gods would be difficult to do without it being tacky. Just my opinion though.


--- Quote from: groinkick on August 25, 2021, 07:00:59 AM ---Because as power is expended, it needs to be refilled.  They must settle for something less because if they try to force people to worship them like before they are liable to get their butts kicked by Mab, or Odin, or others. 

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Sort of, but not really. Does Uriel need to worry about refilling his power? I don't think it applies to immortals. I think they naturally regenerate their power. And we don't know that they tried to force people to worship them. I mean, much could be said about Christianity forcing countries to worship it's religion rather than the previous one. It's murky territory. I doubt Odin ceded his status willingly. There's reasonable evidence to say Mab was part of another pantheon once too. I don't think it was so much that the gods couldn't force people to worship them. I think a major event caused the gods to either leave or sleep or go mortal. It's unclear why. But I'd be willing to bet it was around the time of the Crucifixion when apparently a lot of balances of power changed.


--- Quote from: groinkick on August 25, 2021, 07:00:59 AM ---I think Thor is actually playing football

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I know, but I suspect he might get roped into the wrestling book. Just because he's still a famous god. Arguably more famous now than ever.


--- Quote from: groinkick on August 25, 2021, 07:00:59 AM ---You have to remember that even in these mythologies (or theologies) that even Zeus was born in this universe.  They came into existence from the universe, they were never omnipotent or eternal.  Zeus had parents, and his parents had parents.

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I mean, maybe...we know that the gods are not even 100% on their own creation stories. Creation really messed up their memories of Before Creation. Many of the gods were omnipotent and eternal. Ra, Atum, Odin, Ahura Mazda, Ptah, Neith, Izanagi, Izanami, the Rainbow Serpent, Brahma, Vishnu, Shiva, Devi, Enki and many more are considered creators in their own stories. I'd say most of them existed before Creation began. Jim did say that the reason most of the stories conflict is because the act of Creation was so powerful and different they have trouble reconciling it with how things were Before (especially in an existence that predated cause and effect).

Snark Knight:

--- Quote from: Yuillegan on August 25, 2021, 08:12:04 AM ---I mean, maybe...we know that the gods are not even 100% on their own creation stories. Creation really messed up their memories of Before Creation. Many of the gods were omnipotent and eternal. Ra, Atum, Odin, Ahura Mazda, Ptah, Neith, Izanagi, Izanami, the Rainbow Serpent, Brahma, Vishnu, Shiva, Devi, Enki and many more are considered creators in their own stories. I'd say most of them existed before Creation began. Jim did say that the reason most of the stories conflict is because the act of Creation was so powerful and different they have trouble reconciling it with how things were Before (especially in an existence that predated cause and effect).

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I suppose it only makes sense that if the universe is the bright loud house party the Outsiders have been prosecuting a cosmic noise complaint against, the welcomed attendees are going to be a bit foggy on some details by now. Who hasn't been there?

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