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Could Dresden have been wrong about Thorned?
Ed0517:
--- Quote from: TheCuriousFan on August 27, 2021, 02:08:28 AM ---
Namshiel is the magic nerd of the denarians that's part of why he's singled out as the prime suspect even though Rosanna's thing is fire, fire and more fire.
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He is, and rightfully so, I am just wondering if you had a more advanced student - like an Ascher - could she have had a coin before Lasciel? Some other warlock? it might not take a TN to coach them up to a lot of power. kind of like if you had a couple of foreign exchange students at Harvard - the guy who is 5'6" 140, you could bring in Belichick, he isn't likely to make the football team, even Division III. The 6'5" rugby player can likely start at outside linebacker by Saturday with minimal input.
Second Aristh:
--- Quote from: morriswalters on August 27, 2021, 02:03:19 AM ---I'm saying Thorned Namshiel was gifted power by Lucifer. It's the first instance of the proxy war between Lucifer and Uriel. At the start of PG Michael is sent out of town. His purpose was to see that Eb and the others get to the second trial in time to keep Harry from coming to blows with the Council. This proxy war is what Harry is angry about in the Chapel in the hospital where he meets Jake at the end of Small Favor.
Of the seven Lartessa is the one to look at.
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Ah okay, yeah Lucy put his two cents in for this operation for sure. I had the impression that he did it as a one-time thing (so Namshiel would have had to go back to the well to pull off another hellfire circle) as opposed to Uriel giving Harry access to soulfire in general.
The Archive gave Tessa half her attention in the Shedd, but I'd imagine that calculus would have changed if Namshiel had also been there slinging spells. On a magical strength scale, I'd rate it: Namshiel > Tessa >> rest of the Denarians
Getting back to your point, is the theory Lucifier-powered hellfire at Arctis Tor delivered by Namshiel? Namshiel got a permanent power boost from Lucy that made him able to throw that much fire around?
The first is frightening for the implications that Lucy is taking sides in the Outside v Inside conflict. The second is frightening for the consequences with Marcone.
As far as Lasciel (or arguably Anduriel) as the whisperer in Changes, that was long after Harry had turned over her coin. Regardless, during PG, Lasciel's coin was still in Harry's basement floor. Without time shenanigans, it couldn't have been Hannah Asher at Arctis Tor.
Mira:
--- Quote ---You're getting your timelines muddled there. The coin was under his lab before PG and it stayed there until the end of book 9 (WN). In book 12 (Changes) it has been several years since book 9 so it would be exceedingly unlikely that Forthill hadn't passed the coin along by then.
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My timeline isn't muddled.. You are right it was White Night when Forthill got the coin, however it isn't a stretch to think the coin might sill be locked in his office as of Changes.. We have no clue as to how frequent the coins collected by the Knight are picked up.. We do know it was Lasciel whispering to Harry in Changes which speaks to her coin not being very far away, that is my point.
morriswalters:
I doubt that Namshiel got a permanent boost and I could be altogether wrong about Lucifer helping him in PG. But Jim has done everything but set up a flashing neon sign pointing at Namshiel. And I doubt Jim will revisit it in any case. That Arc is finished. The only real puzzle left will be resolved in the time travel book.
Second Aristh:
--- Quote from: Mira on August 27, 2021, 04:26:20 AM ---My timeline isn't muddled.. You are right it was White Night when Forthill got the coin, however it isn't a stretch to think the coin might sill be locked in his office as of Changes.. We have no clue as to how frequent the coins collected by the Knight are picked up.. We do know it was Lasciel whispering to Harry in Changes which speaks to her coin not being very far away, that is my point.
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WoJ is that distance isn’t really a factor in how the fallen operate in their coins.
--- Quote ---What’s the range of influence for the Fallen in the coins? How far can they extend themselves away from their Denarian hosts?
Oh, their range is very, very limited, to this one little planet. :D
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--- Quote from: morriswalters on August 27, 2021, 05:08:26 AM ---I doubt that Namshiel got a permanent boost and I could be altogether wrong about Lucifer helping him in PG. But Jim has done everything but set up a flashing neon sign pointing at Namshiel. And I doubt Jim will revisit it in any case. That Arc is finished. The only real puzzle left will be resolved in the time travel book.
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The time travel elements in PG do need to be resolved still. Like you said, the time travel book is coming. I’d imagine the events of PG are a major focus. (Also my guess is future!Harry is the source of the Gatekeeper’s message getting Harry on Molly’s trail.)
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