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How long did Thomas know?
Mira:
--- Quote from: Basil on August 16, 2021, 02:19:56 PM ---I don't think it's a given that Thomas would end up a prisoner inside Demonreach, but I think it's a near certainty that Thomas would given sanctuary on the island itself -- even if Thomas had not been captured by the Svartelves.
Harry and Lara have access to exactly one place that they could stash someone, in perpetuity, and be assured that the Svartelves couldn't grab him.
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Harry does certainly, however I doubt that Lara does.
Snark Knight:
--- Quote from: Basil on August 15, 2021, 05:32:27 AM ---This, I think in retrospect, was supposed to be a clue for Harry. Harry was supposed to realize that someone used the baby as leverage, and so Harry was supposed to then figure out who knew that Justine was pregnant. This is a small pool of people that probably only included Lara and Justine. Lara can be immediately ruled out because of all the trouble this has caused the White Court, leaving us with ... Justine as the only suspect. As Holmes says, "Once you've ruled out the impossible then whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truth."
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Pretty weak clue. A lot of us thought in between PT and BG that the hit was the price of making a deal with something powerful to make sure the baby didn't kill Justine. Which was sort of a 'well, yes, but actually no' situation. Lampshading the inherent danger of carrying a whampire baby and saying he had a plan for that ended up being a distraction from the much more immediate threat that Nemesis could just make Justine jump out a window or something if Thomas didn't play ball.
Mira:
--- Quote from: Snark Knight on August 16, 2021, 08:13:44 PM ---Pretty weak clue. A lot of us thought in between PT and BG that the hit was the price of making a deal with something powerful to make sure the baby didn't kill Justine. Which was sort of a 'well, yes, but actually no' situation. Lampshading the inherent danger of carrying a whampire baby and saying he had a plan for that ended up being a distraction from the much more immediate threat that Nemesis could just make Justine jump out a window or something if Thomas didn't play ball.
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Yeah, not a clue at all, really. All that Thomas said was the baby/hunger could kill Justine.. That's a threat from inside her belly, just what was Harry going to combat that outside of suggesting an abortion?
Second Aristh:
--- Quote from: Basil on August 16, 2021, 02:19:56 PM ---I don't think it's a given that Thomas would end up a prisoner inside Demonreach, but I think it's a near certainty that Thomas would given sanctuary on the island itself -- even if Thomas had not been captured by the Svartelves.
Harry and Lara have access to exactly one place that they could stash someone, in perpetuity, and be assured that the Svartelves couldn't grab him.
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Yeah, I don't think it was a given that Thomas would end up a prisoner under Demonreach either. If he was just staying on the island, Justine wouldn't need to be let into the island's defenses (at least no further than she'd already been). They can chat on the Whatssup Dock and avoid the worst of the island's creepy vibe. Lara probably has safehouses that the svartalves don't know about too.
The fact that the opportunity to get Justine past Demonreach's defenses wasn't too likely to occur points to an alternative main goal and the Demonreach ploy being a last minute change of plans hoping to get lucky since Justine's cover was going to be blown soon anyway. So what was the original goal of sending Thomas to assassinate Etri? I see two main consequences of initiating the assassination with Justine: (1) small temporary disruption of the Accords, but the peace talks were already going to be majorly disrupted anyway, and (2) it tied Harry's time up completely before Ethniu got there.
Consequence (2) seems most likely for Nemesis, and it synergizes with the distraction that the White Council vote. That begs the question, what was the thing that Harry was being distracted from?
--- Quote from: Mira on August 16, 2021, 10:42:42 AM ---Did Nemesis give up that agent? Unless Justine turns up somewhere no longer infected or dead, she is still out there. Oh they want the prison population alright, the frontal attack in Cold Days didn't work, they managed to get an agent inside, Maeve, Harry didn't have working knowledge of the island's defenses yet, but they failed. Oh I think it was predictable to a degree, that if Thomas survived the assassination attempt, Lara would want to free her brother, Harry would want to free his brother.. If Lara had her way, she would have hauled him off to the estate and fed him up even if it took a thousand vanilla humans dying in the process to do that. Harry also as a member at a critical time had only one alternative, put Thomas in prison on the island, that is the only solution that would satisfy everyone. Poor Justine, of course she'd want to see her lover, another in to the prison.
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Now that Harry knows Justine has been taken, Justine can't do anything active to help Nemesis. At best, she's a hostage instead of a well placed spy that can act in Nemesis's interests. Nemesis gave those options up when it sent Thomas on the assassination.
Basil:
Justine can still do a great deal of harm. Who knows what secrets she had access to as Lara's Privy Secretary. Granted, some of that information will eventually go stale, but there will be more damage to the White Court for certain.
One easy example: Justine/Nemesis knows that Lord Raith is a drooling moron. That is not public knowledge, but suspected by some.
Another easy example: Justine's "betrayal" of Lara demonstrates Lara's relative incompetence at scheming, justifying (more) plots to depose her. Yes, many of her serious enemies died during Blood Rites and Turn Cloak, but many remain, certainly.
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