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How long did Thomas know?
Second Aristh:
--- Quote from: Mira on August 15, 2021, 07:53:21 PM ---Let's not forget it was at Lara's insistence that Harry take Justine to the island with Mab backing her on that insistence that Harry was on the boat with her in the first place. If Harry hadn't napped and started to run things together and add things together, Nemesis would have gotten inside the island defenses.. So clever Lara didn't think anything was wrong with Justine, felt she owed her.. And if Mab couldn't figure it out, who could? No, I think the object was to get past the defenses, which Justine/He Who Walks Beside would have if Harry hadn't smelled a rat... From there it would have been a small matter of releasing monsters, the like of the world hadn't seen in a millennia, that wasn't just to kill time.
Call Harry stashing Thomas on Demonreach a bit of a gift, don't think that was predictable, don't think they expected him to survive the plot. However once that happened and the battle of Chicago was lost, Nemesis is smart enough to take advantage of that gift. So Justine play victim and lover of Thomas whined enough so that Lara with Mab's backing got Harry to take her to the island. If it had succeeded it would have indeed snatched victory from the jaws of defeat..
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We agree that Nemesis wanted inside Demonreach once it was clear that Thomas was there, but it's a big leap from sending Thomas on an assassination to getting inside the island's defenses. It wasn't a given that Thomas would end up there, and Nemesis gave up a well placed agent on the off chance to have the opportunity. It makes it seem like there may have been another goal in mind before the Demonreach gambit presented itself. Tying up Harry's time is plausible like Harry mentioned, but to what end?
Mira:
--- Quote from: Second Aristh on August 15, 2021, 11:15:38 PM ---We agree that Nemesis wanted inside Demonreach once it was clear that Thomas was there, but it's a big leap from sending Thomas on an assassination to getting inside the island's defenses. It wasn't a given that Thomas would end up there, and Nemesis gave up a well placed agent on the off chance to have the opportunity. It makes it seem like there may have been another goal in mind before the Demonreach gambit presented itself. Tying up Harry's time is plausible like Harry mentioned, but to what end?
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Did Nemesis give up that agent? Unless Justine turns up somewhere no longer infected or dead, she is still out there. Oh they want the prison population alright, the frontal attack in Cold Days didn't work, they managed to get an agent inside, Maeve, Harry didn't have working knowledge of the island's defenses yet, but they failed. Oh I think it was predictable to a degree, that if Thomas survived the assassination attempt, Lara would want to free her brother, Harry would want to free his brother.. If Lara had her way, she would have hauled him off to the estate and fed him up even if it took a thousand vanilla humans dying in the process to do that. Harry also as a member at a critical time had only one alternative, put Thomas in prison on the island, that is the only solution that would satisfy everyone. Poor Justine, of course she'd want to see her lover, another in to the prison.
morriswalters:
The answer to this lies in Bombshells. Thomas at the center of two plots is too much. So call it one. So at least since Bomb Shell's. With Etrie out of the way who would have got his throne? Ever since Grave Peril one or the other of the power centers have been under attack by Nemesis in an attempt to breach the defenses of reality. Why is this any different? First Summer then Winter, the White's and so on.
Mira:
--- Quote from: morriswalters on August 16, 2021, 12:44:15 PM ---The answer to this lies in Bombshells. Thomas at the center of two plots is too much. So call it one. So at least since Bomb Shell's. With Etrie out of the way who would have got his throne? Ever since Grave Peril one or the other of the power centers have been under attack by Nemesis in an attempt to breach the defenses of reality. Why is this any different? First Summer then Winter, the White's and so on.
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Yes, the point is Nemesis doesn't want to fight a united front. So it looks for weaknesses, Thomas might be at the center of two of them because of who he is, who he is related to, and what he is trying to do, that makes him easy to use. Now if he had continued with his full blown vamp attitude that he had at the end of Turn Coat, humans are simply kine for him to feed upon, he would no longer present a weakness to exploit. Ask yourself why was he feeding on Etrie's sister? Because he gets fed and the elves apparently can tolerate it very well, which gave Nemesis a in for disrupting by way of assassination the Accords at a critical moment. They got an in in the Winter Court because Lea felt dissatisfaction with her role, she felt that with getting the Knife she'd gain power and more influence with Mab. Which in turn opened the way to Maeve who was really screwed up to begin with, Mab was able to cure Lea, but it was all over for Maeve.
Basil:
--- Quote from: Second Aristh on August 15, 2021, 11:15:38 PM ---We agree that Nemesis wanted inside Demonreach once it was clear that Thomas was there, but it's a big leap from sending Thomas on an assassination to getting inside the island's defenses. It wasn't a given that Thomas would end up there, and Nemesis gave up a well placed agent on the off chance to have the opportunity. It makes it seem like there may have been another goal in mind before the Demonreach gambit presented itself. Tying up Harry's time is plausible like Harry mentioned, but to what end?
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I don't think it's a given that Thomas would end up a prisoner inside Demonreach, but I think it's a near certainty that Thomas would given sanctuary on the island itself -- even if Thomas had not been captured by the Svartelves.
Harry and Lara have access to exactly one place that they could stash someone, in perpetuity, and be assured that the Svartelves couldn't grab him.
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