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morriswalters:
Molly never really was free.  Charity failed her by keeping secrets. Harry let her in too close and in the end exposed her to things she might have missed had he worked to keep her clear. Mainly that means not putting her in a position where Mab and Lea could be involved with her life.

I think each image are visions of the story that Jim thought about writing. But he wrote the first one for sure and maybe the last.

Mab gave us one piece of foreshadowing when she told Harry to kill Molly if she fell. And the books have foreshadowed her death in Empty Night. Then there is this. Speaking of Mab...
--- Quote ---Her hair darkened as well to the same color, and her eyes turned entirely black, sclera and all, as did her nails. The skin seemed to cling harder to her bones, making her beautiful features gaunt and terrible.

Butcher, Jim. Cold Days (The Dresden Files, Book 14) (pp. 60-61). Penguin Publishing Group. Kindle Edition.
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--- Quote ---The last reflection of Molly wasn’t the girl. Oh, it looked like Molly, externally. But the eyes gave it away. They were flat as a reptile’s, empty. She wore all black, including a black collar, and her hair had been dyed to match. Though she looked like Molly, like a human being, she was neither. She had become something else entirely, something very, very bad.
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Seems pretty close.

Mira:

--- Quote ---Molly never really was free.  Charity failed her by keeping secrets. Harry let her in too close and in the end exposed her to things she might have missed had he worked to keep her clear. Mainly that means not putting her in a position where Mab and Lea could be involved with her life.
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Yes and no, I know Mab put the responsibility of what happened to Molly squarely on Harry because he allowed her hero worship.  However Harry had no clue either that Molly had talent until the damage was already done.  Also the idea that Molly never was free is nonsense.  Yes, she was young and the young often make foolish choices, but she still had free will to make choices.  She could have gone to Harry when she discovered she had talent, she chose not to.  That had consequences, and not just for her.

The_Sibelis:

--- Quote from: Griffyn612 on August 11, 2021, 09:36:31 PM ---Unless there's some WoJ on it that I haven't seen (and there's a lot of WoJ I haven't seen, I avoided all of them for a long time, so it's a distinct possiblity), there's not much to go on from a Doylist perspective.
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Depends on how you define finding Doyalism perspectives. Jim has poured himself into his work as all writers, and has done numerous interviews about his work.(in which, he has discussed magic and world mechanics extensively) If you look at these things akin to a profiler looking at a crime scene or left messages then, there's alot to consider along the general lines of "why would they have this happen, what rules, tropes, or ideas did he use?". These are the things I try to consider with my own theorizing that usually make them seem so crazy from the other side lol. I'm pretty sure some things I've guessed with this have come to pass now, but I don't remember what offhand. Waiting/hoping on more, just cause they're really good plot hooks if I'm seeing them right.

--- Quote ---It seems to me like they can all be possibilities from that point, but for them to be truths in branch realities, and foreshadowing for those branches, it'd require that there be catalysts for branches. I tend to think branches are rare, but that's based on personal preference rather than evidence. I don't like the infinite-splinterverse concept.

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Fair enough, I actually enjoy multiversal stories, for various reasons good enough stories don't always have to make sense(all you zombies), though I prefer ones with definite rules. I think they're pretty basic in the DF, and the most defined evidence of them in action is those characters who have some talent in foresight. The alshavara cabbage patch doll thing, Steed, that one Ordo member. Now, whether those things are happening in tandom or are only possible flow of one single river of time is debatable I suppose. Could be that it's back to the future 2 like and the only thing we actually experience are the snippets of previous time travelers actions in changing the timeline.
As far as what I think we're seeing, is clue bat peeks into other timelines to be showcased later for either the MM or TT books. Iirc they put one clue for Molly being winter lady in the artwork, why not more? Jim likes his games, puns, and long con jokes, he uses imagery from things he's seen in pop culture and reimagines it for his own works, he keeps to his rules but doesn't adequately explain them in verse and uses Harry's own ignorance as the reasoning, he explains things in layers operating on an almost thaumaturgical scale for magic and how certain plot devices work. I always consider these points and more when I can

Mira:

--- Quote ---Could be that it's back to the future 2 like and the only thing we actually experience are the snippets of previous time travelers actions in changing the timeline.
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Or more simply, history repeats itself, time travel isn't needed.

The_Sibelis:

--- Quote from: Mira on August 12, 2021, 07:33:10 PM ---Or more simply, history repeats itself, time travel isn't needed.

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that's a different theory altogether, and also one of mine, yea.

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