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Mac's identity
Griffyn612:
--- Quote from: Second Aristh on August 23, 2021, 09:56:37 PM ---Yeah, close enough. I can get behind that.
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I'm just not sure where the roots come into it, and if that was just inherent to using a genus loci, or if it's a world tree connection.
groinkick:
--- Quote from: Griffyn612 on August 24, 2021, 01:40:26 AM ---I'm just not sure where the roots come into it, and if that was just inherent to using a genus loci, or if it's a world tree connection.
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I'm thinking it's the roots of the world tree.
Ed0517:
--- Quote from: Second Aristh on August 20, 2021, 11:12:55 PM ---
I mean, Sharkface literally calls Mac empty and talks about grace in that line. Pretty strong evidence of an angelic vessel that's given away Grace for a purpose. :)
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Not necessarily given for a purpose. Could be read as he fell by giving himself to worldly pleasures, and was stripped of his Grace. More like squandered. And now, maybe by watching, he is trying to atone.
Ed0517:
--- Quote from: BrainFireBob on August 20, 2021, 03:59:48 PM ---Here's a fun thought.
Where does wizardry come from? My wife and I have long thought it was something like a recessive Changeling- wizards being later-generation descendants of Scions, and that's part of why they "harden" as they get older, and why using their power starts to constrict their choices.
What if the Grigori fathered wizardry? In that case, Mac is watching over his descendants.
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Could be. Wizards tend to run in families - Eb-Harry, Charity-Molly, Luccio has been checking on hers. The Knights appear, at least yet, to be descendants of kings - Charlemagne (Michael), Saladin (Sanya), Shiro from the last king of Okinawa (Sho Tai? ). Harry was working that line of thought at one time.
In Simon Hawke's Wizard books all wizards are descended not from angels, but a supernatural race of Old Ones who subjugated humans, warred amongst themselves, and the humans all but wiped them out. Some went native and interbred - if you are a wizard you have some Old One lineage. Not near as intricate as the Dresden series, though.
Ed0517:
--- Quote from: morriswalters on August 23, 2021, 10:30:04 PM ---Angels don't have free will, so exactly how did Mac ditch his grace? However there is someone in the text that would know how and isn't bound by any angelic restrictions.
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If he is Grigori, he lost his by ignoring the Watcher rules and becoming involved in the world - wine, women, and song. The Grigori are not damned to Hell - but they were told "Don't come back, you're fired". The Grace was stripped from them, not surrendered
(old TV show - "Branded" opening credits, a court-martialed Chuck Connors has his cavalry sabre taken and broken, his badges of rank ripped off, and he is sent out the gates of the stockade, and they close behind him.... something like that)
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