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Damn, Maeve really did win
Second Aristh:
--- Quote from: Griffyn612 on August 04, 2021, 04:32:46 PM ---I'm not sure what you mean about Mab ordering Harry to kill her? But what Mab or Titania wants doesn't really have a bearing. Titania didn't "want" Lily, but she was the closest vessel compatible to the summer lady mantle when it was vulnerable so it went into her.
Likewise, if Molly hadn't been there, but one of the nine winter Sidhe present to help Maeve had been female, it seems likely that they would have been candidates over Justine or Murphy.
Since the mantle didn't go to any of them, we can speculate that they weren't female or weren't compatible for other reasons. Or the mantle felt like Molly, despite being only human with wizard blood, was a better fit.
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Probably referencing Mab's comment in BG before the Eye showdown. I think the point was that even if the Lady mantle chooses someone that Mab disapproves of, as long as Mab knows where it is, she can kill the new Lady in the presence of a more suitable candidate.
Mira:
--- Quote ---I'm not sure what you mean about Mab ordering Harry to kill her? But what Mab or Titania wants doesn't really have a bearing. Titania didn't "want" Lily, but she was the closest vessel compatible to the summer lady mantle when it was vulnerable so it went into her.
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In Battle Ground, just after Murphy is killed, Mab orders Harry to kill Molly if she doesn't survive. She goes on to tell him why, though Molly has the makings of a good Lady, she would be horrible for everyone as Queen... What I am saying and why it has bearing, if Mab feels that way now, she felt that way then... Which is the reason why she had ordered Harry to kill Maeve, even if it wasn't him that ended up doing it. Titania lost her daughter, she accepted Lily but for how long? Because she had many short comings, she may have had to have her killed also.. And if she wasn't satisfied with Sarissa, I don't think Titania would hesitate to order her killed. Heck she may have wanted Lily dead, but Fix loved her and may have talked Titania out of it.
Griffyn612:
--- Quote from: Mira on August 04, 2021, 07:47:40 PM ---In Battle Ground, just after Murphy is killed, Mab orders Harry to kill Molly if she doesn't survive. She goes on to tell him why, though Molly has the makings of a good Lady, she would be horrible for everyone as Queen... What I am saying and why it has bearing, if Mab feels that way now, she felt that way then... Which is the reason why she had ordered Harry to kill Maeve, even if it wasn't him that ended up doing it. Titania lost her daughter, she accepted Lily but for how long? Because she had many short comings, she may have had to have her killed also.. And if she wasn't satisfied with Sarissa, I don't think Titania would hesitate to order her killed. Heck she may have wanted Lily dead, but Fix loved her and may have talked Titania out of it.
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Ah, right, gotta.
--- Quote from: Second Aristh on August 04, 2021, 06:20:56 PM ---Probably referencing Mab's comment in BG before the Eye showdown. I think the point was that even if the Lady mantle chooses someone that Mab disapproves of, as long as Mab knows where it is, she can kill the new Lady in the presence of a more suitable candidate.
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My only comment would be that Mab might have to have Molly killed, rather than kill her herself, if she decided to not keep her. Mostly because Molly may still technically be mortal, and Molly didn't make a contract with Mab like Harry did.
But I think there was WoJ about Molly accepting the mantle, so maybe she's signed on and owned just like Harry.
morriswalters:
I'm pretty sure that was a personal warning to Harry. He's always denied Molly the one thing she wanted. Him. As Queen she could have him. And Harry wouldn't have a choice. Molly's a little twisted, at least the way Jim has written her. That might make her a lot twisted. The quote is.
--- Quote ---“As Winter Lady, she shows promise,” Mab said. “But she is not ready to become Mab. The consequences would be . . . unsettling. For both of you. Perhaps for all of Winter.”
Butcher, Jim. Battle Ground (Dresden Files) (p. 220). Penguin Publishing Group. Kindle Edition.
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As long as her emotions rule her still Harry would be in danger.
--- Quote from: Griffyn612 on August 04, 2021, 02:18:05 AM ---Probably not. But there's two things to consider regarding the possible hosts.
* Justine knew Molly was there in the circle. If she was infected, then Nemesis likely knew. If Maeve was infected, then Nemesis could have told her in her head. So she might have meant Murphy, or she might have meant Molly.
* There were nine Sidhe in each retinue, not counting Red and Rawhead. That's at least nine candidates of Summer Sidhe that should have been compatible if they were female, and possibly some from Winter in a pinch. The question is, were they all male by design, or were there any females? If so, were they potential hosts as well?
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I don't think that the infection works like that. I think it's an amplification of something that is in everybody, some weakness. And the infection acts like a reinforcement of that weakness. That's basically how it worked with Cat Sith. He hated serving Harry and the voice whispered to him to kill Harry. When Harry points it out, Cat Sith resisted and was destroyed. I'm not sure that there is anything left of Justine.
Mab on the other hand had Molly prepared, however the Queen does that kind of thing. It was Mab's choice where that mantle went.
Second Aristh:
--- Quote from: Griffyn612 on August 04, 2021, 10:11:22 PM ---My only comment would be that Mab might have to have Molly killed, rather than kill her herself, if she decided to not keep her. Mostly because Molly may still technically be mortal, and Molly didn't make a contract with Mab like Harry did.
But I think there was WoJ about Molly accepting the mantle, so maybe she's signed on and owned just like Harry.
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For sure there might be extra steps to get things done, but it's an option. I think Molly counts pretty much as fae for the purposes of Winter Law anyway.
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