The Dresden Files > DF Spoilers
Damn, Maeve really did win
Griffyn612:
--- Quote from: Second Aristh on August 05, 2021, 12:53:49 AM ---For sure there might be extra steps to get things done, but it's an option. I think Molly counts pretty much as fae for the purposes of Winter Law anyway.
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Certainly possible.
--- Quote from: morriswalters on August 05, 2021, 12:45:45 AM ---I don't think that the infection works like that. I think it's an amplification of something that is in everybody, some weakness. And the infection acts like a reinforcement of that weakness. That's basically how it worked with Cat Sith. He hated serving Harry and the voice whispered to him to kill Harry. When Harry points it out, Cat Sith resisted and was destroyed. I'm not sure that there is anything left of Justine.
Mab on the other hand had Molly prepared, however the Queen does that kind of thing. It was Mab's choice where that mantle went.
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We don't know much for sure about the infection, but we know that the host can recover from Beside taking control. He took control of Lea in Proven Guilty, and she bounced back.
morriswalters:
We don't know that Beside ever took control. And Lea is still subject to infection as she states in Changes.
--- Quote ---“A madness had beset me,” she whispered. “Robbed me of myself. Treacherous gifts . . .” She shook her head. “I can think on it no more, lest it make me vulnerable once again. Suffice to say that I am much better now.” She stroked a fingertip over an icy white streak in her hair. “The strength of my queen prevailed, and my mind is mine own.”
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I tend to look on this like schizophrenia in that you can control it but you can't cure it.
Griffyn612:
--- Quote from: morriswalters on August 05, 2021, 12:45:36 PM ---We don't know that Beside ever took control. And Lea is still subject to infection as she states in Changes.I tend to look on this like schizophrenia in that you can control it but you can't cure it.
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But she literally says she can't keep it from controlling her.
--- Quote --- “No time,” she said, voice strained again. “I
cannot long keep it from taking hold of…” She
shuddered and lowered her head. She lifted her
face to me a few seconds later, and the madness
had returned to her eyes. “Wait,” she rasped. “I
have reconsidered. Free me.”
I traded a look with Thomas, and we both took a
cautious step backward.
Lea’s face twisted up with rage and she let out a
howl that shook icicles from their positions.
“Release me!”
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I read that as Beside taking over. Maybe there's an argument that infection causes multiple personality disorder, and the newer personality took over. But Maeve was the same, just amplified. Same for Aurora. They were doing what they always wanted to do, just in twisted ways.
Lea and Cat Sith both defy their own nature, and both times it's appears to be due to another personality, which appears to be Beside.
Mira:
--- Quote ---I read that as Beside taking over. Maybe there's an argument that infection causes multiple personality disorder, and the newer personality took over. But Maeve was the same, just amplified. Same for Aurora. They were doing what they always wanted to do, just in twisted ways.
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Interesting that you'd say that, often the result of strokes and some other types of brain injury, is the normal restraints or self control we put upon ourselves is lost. So I wonder if an MRI of someone infected with Nemesis would show damage to these parts of the brain? Only Nemesis goes a step further, because it takes over control of those parts of the brain? Maeve had self control issues before she was infected, Nemesis attacked those parts of her brain, so she lost all self control, then began to dictate her actions. She wouldn't be aware of it and since her prior behavior flirted with outrageous anyway, no one noticed that anything was wrong until it was too late to cure.
Snark Knight:
--- Quote from: morriswalters on August 05, 2021, 12:45:45 AM ---I don't think that the infection works like that. I think it's an amplification of something that is in everybody, some weakness. And the infection acts like a reinforcement of that weakness.
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Agreed. I don't think it's a knowledge-sharing psychic internet between infectees. Maeve implied she was going to have Justine forcibly infected afterward if she won on the island. So either she didn't even know, or she was saying that to reinforce Justine's cover in case she lost. I don't think she even conceived failing as a possibility at that point.
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