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Damn, Maeve really did win

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groinkick:
wow good catch.  Jim really does a great job leaving little clues

Mira:

--- Quote ---My original thought was that she was referring to Molly and one of the handmaidens/court members in the raiding party. Someone allied with her on the hill. But she was talking about Justine and Nemesis.
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Yeah, well, I'm on record saying that I thought that Justine was infected way before Cold Days.  However I still don't think her plan succeeded exactly because Justine didn't become Lady.  And
yes, in some ways Sarissa's training with Harry prepared her and mirrored Molly's in some ways, I don't think Mab was lying when she said her plan was for Sarissa to be Winter Lady, not Molly. Why? Because she wanted her favorite daughter near her.

TrueMonk:
I disagree

Whither would my mantle go? Where is the nearest
vessel now? Some hapless mortal, perhaps,
ignorant of its true nature? The instrument of
some foe of yours, in alliance with me, ready to
steal away the mantle and leave you vulnerable?”
Maeve giggled. “I can play chess too, Mother.
Better now than ever you could. And I am now less
a liability to you alive than dead.”

Molly is not some clueless mortal, she was a pretty good candidate and Maeve was more of a liability to Mab alive than dead, which is why Mab killed her (via Murph).

I do not think the outsiders trusted Maeve enough to tell her that Justine was infected.

Mira:

--- Quote from: TrueMonk on August 02, 2021, 11:17:59 AM ---I disagree

Whither would my mantle go? Where is the nearest
vessel now? Some hapless mortal, perhaps,
ignorant of its true nature? The instrument of
some foe of yours, in alliance with me, ready to
steal away the mantle and leave you vulnerable?”
Maeve giggled. “I can play chess too, Mother.
Better now than ever you could. And I am now less
a liability to you alive than dead.”

Molly is not some clueless mortal, she was a pretty good candidate and Maeve was more of a liability to Mab alive than dead, which is why Mab killed her (via Murph).

I do not think the outsiders trusted Maeve enough to tell her that Justine was infected.

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I'm not saying that doesn't matter, it does, however here is why Maeve didn't win.  While not perfect in many ways, both Ladies, Molly and Sarissa are sane, thus balance is restored.  Because the Ladies are sane, hardworking and doing their jobs, the Queens can work together when need be as we saw in Battle Ground..  There is now a united front against the Enemy, there wasn't before.

The Enemy had to go to plan "B," once Maeve died and Justine didn't get the mantle of Lady.  Plan B was to undermine the Accords, thus infected Justine's new mission was to get pregnant as HWWB admitted to Harry on the boat at the end of Battle Ground, that plan came very close to succeeding.  Not only in undermining the Accords, but to invade Demonreach itself, if Harry hadn't realized in the last moment that Justine was possessed by an Outsider, they would have penetrated the island defenses and all hell would have broken loose.

Keep in mind, Maeve was raving and just a wee bit insane when she told Mab all of that, and she still was talking about the Lady's mantles.  She didn't succeed there, it isn't clear or rather there is no evidence that Maeve even knows that there was a plan "B".

Arjan:

--- Quote from: Mira on August 02, 2021, 10:38:47 AM ---Yeah, well, I'm on record saying that I thought that Justine was infected way before Cold Days.  However I still don't think her plan succeeded exactly because Justine didn't become Lady.  And
yes, in some ways Sarissa's training with Harry prepared her and mirrored Molly's in some ways, I don't think Mab was lying when she said her plan was for Sarissa to be Winter Lady, not Molly. Why? Because she wanted her favorite daughter near her.

--- End quote ---
I think Justine was infected just before when she was captured.

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