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Damn, Maeve really did win
Griffyn612:
--- Quote from: Mira on August 01, 2021, 09:33:51 PM ---
Possible, but let's not forget Maeve's "mommy issues," how jealous she was of the relationship between Sarissa and Mab. When the Summer Mantle went to Sarissa it forever put a wall between her and Mab. Or at least in Maeve's eyes it did and that was sweet revenge, though as we've learned from Christmas Eve, apparently Mab and Sarissa still have a good relationship.
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Sarissa was already out of play by that point. She's received the Summer Lady mantle, which left two viable candidates. She identified them both, and we just didn't realize at the time that Justine was the "instrument of some foe".
--- Quote from: Avernite on August 01, 2021, 09:35:24 PM ---I think it all rests on understanding if Molly really was clueless.
I think, fundamentally, Mab gambled better than Maeve there - Molly is a good Lady, even if she has a learning curve.
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I think Molly is doing a good job, and Mab is satisfied in her progress.
But Maeve won in the sense that she succeeded in her plan. It just so happens that the results weren't as catastrophic as she thought they'd be.
--- Quote from: morriswalters on August 01, 2021, 09:37:13 PM ---Molly was the fallback for an outcome that Mab couldn't foresee. When Lily was killed and Sarrisa assumed the mantle Maeve was blind to what she didn't want to see, that Mab had outmaneuvered her again. But Mab knew that, where Harry was, Molly was. Mab won. The mantle was never in danger. The hapless mortal would have been Murphy, Justine was Maeve's ally.
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No, we're led to believe that she was blind to it. But she knew the mantle could be taken by a mortal or by Justine. She thought the threat was enough to spare her in the moment, and she was wrong about that. But she was on point with the options.
--- Quote from: Mira on August 01, 2021, 11:54:57 PM ---Yup, Molly was the fall back, but Mab meant for her to be the Summer Lady and Sarissa the Winter Lady, but it didn't work out that way. Maeve thought she won because she thought she was breaking up the mother/daughter relationship she has always been so jealous of.
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I don't think Mab meant for Molly to be summer lady, she just said she thought it would suit her better. But I think Molly was the backup for Sarissa and Lily, if either as lady couldn't function. I think she thought she'd have more time to prepare Molly, but she was on the board just in case. And she was used as needed.
morriswalters:
Maeve's protection was predicated on the idea that no other person in that circle had been prepped to make her a target for the mantle once Sarissa had the Summer mantle. Murphy wasn't and Justine could not have been. Sarissa's training with Harry by Mab and Molly's by Lea are almost exactly the same. The military calls that lighting the target. But you are correct in that this foreshadows Justine haven been taken.
As readers we should have suspected when Justine became Lara's assistant. Prior to that she wasn't exactly tied real tight.
Griffyn612:
--- Quote from: morriswalters on August 02, 2021, 12:41:33 AM ---Maeve's protection was predicated on the idea that no other person in that circle had been prepped to make her a target for the mantle once Sarissa had the Summer mantle. Murphy wasn't and Justine could not have been. Sarissa's training with Harry by Mab and Molly's by Lea are almost exactly the same. The military calls that lighting the target. But you are correct in that this foreshadows Justine haven been taken.
As readers we should have suspected when Justine became Lara's assistant. Prior to that she wasn't exactly tied real tight.
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I don't think her becoming assistant was too suspicious, but the stability without Thomas feeding from her too calm her should have been.
Assuming I'm remembering the timeline correctly.
She was being fed on up until Thomas held back in Blood Rites. Then she had true love protection, which makes her ideal as an assistant for Lara, as she's untouchable to internal manipulation. But yeah, the mental clarity should have rung bells. It's just hard to know if that was due to character growth, plot necessity, or specific cause.
And I still say she was infected by Lord Raith. :D
morriswalters:
I have no idea. But good catch on the foreshadowing. I missed it completely. It makes me feel better about Justine, which took me off guard.
The_Sibelis:
Once again proving no matter how fine the comb you use on the Dresden files, it's never fine enough to sieve it all..
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