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groinkick:
I admit that I see characters from a raw power point of view, like Dresden apparently.  Jim goes into more detail though, and it is interesting, and makes one have to look at things differently than a straight forward 1 on 1 fist fight. 

sapph42: You’ve talked about beings who were on similar (or greater) power levels as Mab – Titania (obviously), Drakul, and Ferrovax to name a few. However, I believe that list was generated before Changes. Where does Odin fall on that list? Hypothetically (assuming they exist), where would entities such as Zeus or Quetzalcoatl fall?


Jim: Your question presupposes a linear hierarchy–which isn’t surprising, since the series has come from Harry’s viewpoint, and Harry is a straight-lines kind of thinker. Power is a much more nebulous thing than that, and something that is problematic to quantify. I think a reasonably simple argument could be made that Molly is a /much/ more powerful wizard than Dresden, for example. And in many situations, she probably is. Dresden tends to think in terms of “who would win this slugfest” when he’s dealing with the supernatural world because, well, of all the slugfests.
Odin isn’t gonna slugfest with you. He /could/. But that isn’t the Allfather’s style. Odin saw you coming last year, and he made his countermoves to what you’re doing right now a week and a half ago. For guys like him, fights are what happen when you /fail/ to win with /real/ power–knowledge and forethought.
Of course, sometimes everyone’s knowledge and forethought cancels each other’s actions out, and then it’s time to get all Monday Night Nitro. No one in the Dresden Files universe is really sure how that would shake out. But everyone on that level knows that they might be about to find out


Reading his comments make me think that Odin may not have hit the Titan with everything he had.  He acted deliberately.  He knew she'd claim his weapon, setting her up.  He also wanted Dresden to end up with the Eye which wouldn't have been the case if he'd struck her down. 

Mira:

--- Quote ---Reading his comments make me think that Odin may not have hit the Titan with everything he had.  He acted deliberately.  He knew she'd claim his weapon, setting her up.  He also wanted Dresden to end up with the Eye which wouldn't have been the case if he'd struck her down.

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That is what I argued for more or less..  Here is another point for that argument, if Odin did cut her down, everyone would see how powerful he really was and he'd alienate his allies. 

Bad Alias:
Yeah. I think Odin's a lot like (Infinity War) (click to show/hide)Dr. Strange in Infinity War. He knew what he was doing before he did it. I think we can say that just about every time we've seen Odin.

Mira:

--- Quote from: Bad Alias on July 26, 2021, 06:23:20 PM ---Yeah. I think Odin's a lot like (Infinity War) (click to show/hide)Dr. Strange in Infinity War. He knew what he was doing before he did it. I think we can say that just about every time we've seen Odin.

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Exactly,  he wanted her to get a hold of his spear, then it was in position where he could do real damage.

Con:
Hmm I kinda think Battle Grounds ws the last sentence of the WOJ

"Of course, sometimes everyone’s knowledge and forethought cancels each other’s actions out, and then it’s time to get all Monday Night Nitro. No one in the Dresden Files universe is really sure how that would shake out. But everyone on that level knows that they might be about to find out"

Until I have definitive proof otherwise or until it becomes more relevant.

I think Cold Days and Skin Game is more an example of his planning things out. A few key conversations with Harry that manipulate events into saving the day.

Him showing up as Kringle and the Wild Hunt to help Harry lead it.

or Kringle recommending Goodman Grey, warning Harry about Anduriels limits.

Battle Ground was the Battle Royal.

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