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Revisit this. Grey Counsel
Yuillegan:
--- Quote from: Griffyn612 on August 03, 2021, 02:30:33 PM ---Regrading River, he's large, but in a cloak at a distance while purposefully concealing all of their identities, I think it could be fine.
Regarding Carlos, he's the only one that got away from Cristos, per Chandler. Harry also previously vouched for Carlos, and his Council turn didn't start until after Changes. And he was injured at some point even before the Molly story, and it being in action unseen at CI makes sense.
Regrading Ivy, again, it's a matter of acting in secret, so hiding her identity would be required. And Ivy is neutral for the Accords, but not if the Reds were deemed to be in violation. But her involvement does seem like a stretch, even to me.
Regarding the four unknowns, I just wanted to list some possibilities that could be different than the usual western suspects. Eb seems like the type to collect acquaintances with powerful beings, and those seem like the kind that would help.
There are others I'd like to see as well, but they don't fit as well.
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I guess it's possible with River, even his natural form. He is 9ft tall though which would have made him the largest being there (unless there were a few Ick's around). I more think it's likely he will join later, when LtW dies. But it's possible.
I mean, when I read Changes I assumed his injuries were from fighting Cristos' men. My mistake, I thought he was arrested but as you say he did escape. I just wonder why Eb would pick a young warden he doesn't know well, rather than an old friend. Maybe someone he's known for decades or more. Also, strange that Carlos never mentioned it to Harry in later interactions? Not sure I'm convinced on him.
The four beings you chose are all allies of humanity so are good choices. Certainly out of left field but I like it!
Hopefully we will see more of the Grey Council soon.
--- Quote from: Second Aristh on August 03, 2021, 05:09:00 PM ---As far as the GC goes, I'd say any member has to satisfy both of the following requirements:
1) Eb has to know them well enough to say that they are trustworthy to root out the BC with him
2) They have to be a magic user of some sort (all 13 carried staff-ish tools in CI)
I've always been a fan of Langtry being on the list. Sure, Langtry doesn't like Eb personally, but he's a strong wizard that Eb knows well enough that he can walk Harry through his three step strategies. Plus, being on the GC gives him more freedom to do things than he can in his position as Merlin. Especially when he's worried about BC attention.
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Agree with the requirements.
Langtry just has too many issues, I feel. He could establish his own team for investigations, why make such a clandestine group, that isn't legal? Also, I doubt he would ever let Eb pick the team. He's a control freak. He wouldn't bow to Ebenezar's leadership.
I could see him actually authorizing it in a black ops sort of way. Like if you get caught you're on your own type of deal. Although honestly, how he could dictate to Vadderung is beyond me.
Second Aristh:
--- Quote from: Yuillegan on August 04, 2021, 03:38:05 AM ---Agree with the requirements.
Langtry just has too many issues, I feel. He could establish his own team for investigations, why make such a clandestine group, that isn't legal? Also, I doubt he would ever let Eb pick the team. He's a control freak. He wouldn't bow to Ebenezar's leadership.
I could see him actually authorizing it in a black ops sort of way. Like if you get caught you're on your own type of deal. Although honestly, how he could dictate to Vadderung is beyond me.
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Could he really establish a clandestine group, though? He's the Merlin, but I'd imagine its hard for him to really do things without someone getting a peek into it. I think Eb could definitely start one much more easily. Legal/illegal is something that can be handled post-discovery if need be.
Overall, I think Eb/Langtry is a very similar relationship to Harry/Morgan. Would Morgan want Harry around running something important? Prob not, but there he was knocking on Harry's door in TC when big players were moving. Morgan trusted his knowledge of Harry enough to turn to him when official hands were tied. I think Langtry would make the same calculation for Eb.
Yuillegan:
--- Quote from: Second Aristh on August 04, 2021, 04:12:15 AM ---Could he really establish a clandestine group, though? He's the Merlin, but I'd imagine its hard for him to really do things without someone getting a peek into it. I think Eb could definitely start one much more easily. Legal/illegal is something that can be handled post-discovery if need be.
Overall, I think Eb/Langtry is a very similar relationship to Harry/Morgan. Would Morgan want Harry around running something important? Prob not, but there he was knocking on Harry's door in TC when big players were moving. Morgan trusted his knowledge of Harry enough to turn to him when official hands were tied. I think Langtry would make the same calculation for Eb.
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Why not? He could establish the White Council version of internal affairs. He is the leader, he has that kind of authority. He might need a Senior Council vote, but if he suspected any of them he probably could just do it themselves. Like Cops, you swear allegiance to the Country but that manifests in the highest authority. I agree it's probably harder in many ways, and probably goes against his mindset. But it's certainly more likely to do it that way than join Eb's team.
At most, he might ask Eb to do it but claim plausible deniability. They are far more hostile than Morgan and Harry.
Second Aristh:
--- Quote from: Yuillegan on August 04, 2021, 06:43:15 AM ---Why not? He could establish the White Council version of internal affairs. He is the leader, he has that kind of authority. He might need a Senior Council vote, but if he suspected any of them he probably could just do it themselves. Like Cops, you swear allegiance to the Country but that manifests in the highest authority. I agree it's probably harder in many ways, and probably goes against his mindset. But it's certainly more likely to do it that way than join Eb's team.
At most, he might ask Eb to do it but claim plausible deniability. They are far more hostile than Morgan and Harry.
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Yeah, that's the problem though. The White Council internal affairs already exists and is called the wardens. The Merlin can't go creating a "more trustworthy" group without having to explain it and tipping off potential BC members. Even moreso if it requires a full SC vote.
Yuillegan:
I mean, not necessarily. The Merlin isn't equal to other Senior Council members - he's the leader. The Chairman, President, what have you. He has executive powers. He could do things the others couldn't. He might have already for all we know. Especially with emergency powers.
We know the White Council's legal system is very old fashioned and not terribly complex. We know that it isn't particularly fair and is unfairly concentrated at the top with fairly minimal checks and balances.
We also know that the Merlin is more than simply the strongest wizard (in magical terms) on the planet. He's also got the strongest political strength, the strongest political position, and he's the one who controls the White Council's financial power.
If he wanted to create some extra taskforce, he no doubt could. It would be risky, and if discovered he potentially risks a civil war, but he could do it. Not only that, but likely things would be to his advantage if he used already existing legal powers to create the task force - which he likely has. Considering what the White Council normally does, even if the Merlin were discovered before being ready, all he would have to do is convince them to go after a particular target (like Ebenezar or Christos) and he would divert the attention off of himself. More than likely the stalwarts on the Senior Council would side with him just to prevent a civil war, and throw one of their number (who might challenge it) to the wolves. Especially as by calling him out, it could potentially give the Merlin ammunition to say "Hey, they don't want me investigating because they're the bad guy!".
They threw Morgan to the wolves without blinking an eye to save the Council. The Merlin will always do what he thinks is necessary after all. Assuming they were not suspected of being black council, the Merlin would have the votes of Mai and Rashid easily. Then he only really needs to convince either Christos, Eb, Liberty, or Listens-to-Wind. LtW made it clear he would ruthlessly protect the Council if necessary so it wouldn't surprise me if he was in favor of it - especially if he wasn't on the Grey Council.
Assuming Christos didn't challenge the Merlin, he would almost certainly vote for an internal affairs taskforce whether he was black council or not. If he's black council, he gets to destabilise the Council further and could use it to rid himself of enemies. If he isn't, he would use it to strengthen his personal position. If he challenged the Merlin about it, he almost certainly would be labelled black council and executed - which would justify to the others the necessity for such a taskforce. I can't see the other SC members siding with him to take out the Merlin even if he was right about a taskforce being illegal and/or unethical - especially if they really did think he was black council, which some of them suspect, and they didn't appreciate him bullying his way onto the SC in the first place.
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