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What does this mean?
Arjan:
--- Quote from: Mira on June 24, 2021, 06:12:05 AM ---That too, but that comes with maturity.. But there are times, like when you see the person you love gunned down and killed stupidly after she just saved hundreds of lives, you tend to lose it.. To not lose it in such a moment wouldn't be human.
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Quite human but if you ask Uriel about it..
morriswalters:
Well putting aside what I consider normal human behavior for a moment. For the character Harry Dresden, what is Jim saying? Here's how he describes the sword now.
--- Quote ---Michael touched the blade of Fidelacchius again, more reverently. “Angels aren’t allowed to interfere with mortals or their free will,” he said. “If you’re right, Harry . . . this blade of light is a direct expression of the will of an angel. It can’t impinge upon the free will of a mortal. It can only fight evil beings who attempt the same.”
Butcher, Jim. Peace Talks (Dresden Files) (p. 178). Penguin Publishing Group. Kindle Edition.
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It burned Harry. Was he doing evil? Not was he having a bad day, where his friends had to restrain him? But where he was prepared to do harm to Butters if he had to to get to Numb Nuts(Rudolph).
Now back to the human race. Most people don't react like this. They are prostrated by grief, it doesn't turn them into raving murderers.
Mira:
--- Quote ---Now back to the human race. Most people don't react like this. They are prostrated by grief, it doesn't turn them into raving murderers.
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No? Grief takes many forms, witnessing a senseless murder one very well might react violently.. In the middle of a battle, adrenaline levels are very high, people do react with anger, especially if they are in the middle of combat at the time. A soldier seeing his or her friend go down, doesn't melt into a puddle of grief, that is for later. Harry didn't turn into a raving murderer, if he had, there was no way anyone could have stopped him short of cutting off his arm and most likely his head as well.
Yes, the Sword did burn Harry to remind him, to bring him back, he was hysterical with grief. The point is, the burn reminded Harry that killing Rudolph was the wrong thing to do.. It sobered Harry up, then he melted into a puddle of grief, briefly. If he was truly evil, none of that would have stopped him.
--- Quote --- It can’t impinge upon the free will of a mortal. It can only fight evil beings who attempt the same.”
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And it didn't impinge on Harry's free will, it reminded him of his choices, and Harry chose to stop.. It didn't fight an evil being here in Harry, it gave him a choice. If the Sword felt that Harry was evil, it would have lopped his arm off, neither Butters nor Sanya would have forgiven him and held his close in his grief.
Arjan:
--- Quote from: morriswalters on June 24, 2021, 12:32:52 PM ---Well putting aside what I consider normal human behavior for a moment. For the character Harry Dresden, what is Jim saying? Here's how he describes the sword now.It burned Harry. Was he doing evil? Not was he having a bad day, where his friends had to restrain him? But where he was prepared to do harm to Butters if he had to to get to Numb Nuts(Rudolph).
Now back to the human race. Most people don't react like this. They are prostrated by grief, it doesn't turn them into raving murderers.
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Most reactions by normal human beings are not exactly natural. They are, for good reasons, tempered by the necessity to live in big groups in a well structured society. That necessity is there from the beginning and helps form behavior but can also evaporate fast under the wrong circumstances.
Revenge is a very normal emotion especially in societies where justice is not that well organized. It might be the only way to get some form of justice and it might also necessary to keep your reputation which is all important for the safety of your dependents.
The dresdenverse supernatural world is far closer to early medieval Iceland so there revenge is an important emotion that can save you and yours or doom families in a continuing vendetta.
Harry is sucked into that world.
morriswalters:
This isn't medieval Iceland and Harry wasn't raised there. And I don't think that every few books Harry is suppose to throw a temper tantrum and try to kill somebody. Here's what Harry says in Skin Game when he holds his temper in check.
--- Quote ---Michael watched my face closely as we carried her. “What?” I asked. “You aren’t angry,” he said. “That she’s hurt.” “Like hell I’m not,” I said. “It’s coming. After we take care of her. When it’s time.” Michael grunted. “You aren’t more angry than you would be if it was me. Or Butters, here.” I grunted. “She’s not a delicate princess,” I said. “She’s a warrior. Warriors have enemies. Sometimes warriors get hurt.” I felt my jaws clench. “And then their friends even things up.”
Butcher, Jim. Skin Game: A Novel of the Dresden Files (pp. 248-249). Penguin Publishing Group. Kindle Edition.
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Which is different from going berserk. This indicates two very different Harry's. In Battle Ground he's defending Chicago. So he stops, goes nuts, assaults a friend, and tries to murder a fruitcake for being a fruitcake. That isn't a vendetta. I don't know what it's suppose to represent, but it ain't that.
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